You can still say that she left "shortly after the beginning of the war" or something along those lines. This would make the sentence and the entire section flow much more smoothly. QuiGonJinn(Talk) 08:40, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
If the books state outright that she served in the Grand Army of the Republic, then this needs to be mentioned in the article accordingly.
I disagree here. Given other sources treatment of the Grand Army as exclusively clone troopers, it was a mistake and the BTS note should be sufficient. I was obviously being conservative by linking out only to the Essential Guide to Warfare, but I could probably go out and find others. NaruHinaTalk 17:30, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
As I feel that we both have some valid points, I would like more input from other users, preferrably AC members, on this issue, before I strike this. I will ask around on IRC, and you are welcome to do the same if you'd like.QuiGonJinn(Talk) 08:40, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
I think Naru's right here. However, I'd like to see the BTS specify (properly sourced, of course) that clone troopers were exclusively male. Imperators II(Talk) 14:27, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
Found a note in EGTW that they were exclusively male. Useful book, that. NaruHinaTalk 20:36, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
There is a source that contradicts the fact that all clone troopers were clones of Jango, so this statement is not correct. X1 and X2 served in the GAR, but they were clones of Falon Grey, not Jango. Further, the troopers were all identical clones of the bounty hunter Jango Fett,QuiGonJinn(Talk) 08:34, July 16, 2019 (UTC)
Related to the above objection. The explanation regarding the GAR in the Bts should cut down on speculation. Only the first two sentences are based on verifiable info, the rest is just speculation and should be cut. In The Desperate Mission, Trever Flume said that his mother fought in the Grand Army of the Republic. The Essential Guide to Warfare stated that only clone troopers served in the Grand Army. This did not mean that there were no non-clone forces fighting for the Republic, however. It's possible she was parts of different branches of the Republic Military, such as the Planetary Security Forces or the Judicials.
I removed the glaring double-negative, but I want to push back here on similar grounds to the above mention of the Grand Army. It was a mistake. It is not speculative to say that the Republic had separate non-clone forces, and it is not speculative to provide the reader with examples of such forces while talking about this unusual distinction. I have removed the "It's possible she was..." because I agree that toed the line, but I think the general examples of non-clone forces should stay. NaruHinaTalk 18:03, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
When did this occur? Can this be dated to 19 BBY as well and based on what evidence? On Bellassa, an Imperial bombing killed Trever Flume's father and brother
It can't, definitively. Putting it in proximity to 19 BBY should be sufficient because The Desperate Mission takes place in 18 BBY and that bombing was months earlier. NaruHinaTalk 17:30, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I thought of a better way to slip 18 BBY in there. How's that? NaruHinaTalk 17:47, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
If the lead quote is the only mention of T'olan in the book, then there is not enough info to identify it as a planet. Are there other mentions that can be used as a basis for this identification? If not, then T'olan should be treated as a general nondescript location.
The Wuun system is called the T'olan system in The Essential Atlas Online Companion's list of systems (and, allegedly, the book proper though I couldn't find it). IIRC that has been interpreted in the past as there being a planet with that name at that place, right? Would that be sufficient? NaruHinaTalk 18:58, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
OK, generalized it to a "place." NaruHinaTalk 15:04, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
These two sentences need to be combined/reworded. They are way too simplistic. The battle was bloody. Trever Flume's mother died there.
Fixed by slipping the Obi-Wan Kenobi mention in there. NaruHinaTalk 18:03, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
Aftermath: Just calling Ferus Olin by name here would be better. he became deeply nervous when someone he cared about promised to return from danger without allowing him to come
The passage where he describes his feelings is more general than Ferus. I meant "someone" in the general sense. Perhaps "anyone" would be better? For reference, this is the passage: Ferus's expression clearly said not this again. But Trever didn't care. He wasn't going to be left behind. He'd been left behind before. By his mother, by his father, by his brother. Each time, they'd said It's too dangerous. You'll be safe here.NaruHinaTalk 17:47, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
Still, I think a bit of context for Ferus and his relevancy here would be nice. Perhaps reword the quote caption to: "Trever Flume attempts to persuade Jedi Ferus Olin to take him on a mission."QuiGonJinn(Talk) 08:40, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
I'm down with that. I added a bit about the Jedi Temple during the Purge to convey why it was dangerous. NaruHinaTalk 15:24, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
Bts: Everything should be sourced.
Everything in there has the source in the sentence. Honest question: is leaving such things without redundant references not allowed anymore? NaruHinaTalk 17:47, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
I don't see how the passage in "Ghosts of the Sith" can be interpreted as an indirect mention of this individual. If we know that she died early in the Clone Wars, there's no way that "Imperials" could have killed her, since the Empire did not exist at the time yet.QuiGonJinn(Talk) 11:56, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
I (mostly) agree and included it out of an abundance of caution. Removed. NaruHinaTalk 17:30, July 12, 2019 (UTC)
"The New Essential Chronology states that the Clone Wars lasted from 22 BBY to 19 BBY. The Battle of T'olan was placed as 'early in the wars' by The Last of the Jedi: The Desperate Mission, which has been interpreted in this article as sometime within the first year." I think this is a pure speculation here. The battle may have taken place in 21 BBY, and still early in the war.
I initially had it as "sometime within 22 or 21 BBY," but changed it to 22 BBY due to QuiGonJinn's objection. The important thing is that its timeframe is connected to the start of the war, so c. 22 BBY should be fine. NaruHinaTalk 04:28, July 14, 2019 (UTC)
"The death of Trever Flume's mother in the battle was referenced at various points in the series and in his The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia (2008) entry." I don't think this sentence in BTS is necessary at all.Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 03:26, July 14, 2019 (UTC)
Could you please quote the indirect mentions of the battle from the novels here? I can't seem to find the mention in some of them.
Underworld: "He'd been left behind before. By his mother, by his father, by his brother. Each time, they'd said It's too dangerous. You'll be safe here. Each time they said I'll be back." [Here, the fact that they were wrong and died was the point]
Death on Naboo: "His mother, his father, and his brother had all fought the Empire. They had all been killed." [This is incorrect, as mentioned in the BTS]
A Tangled Web: "His mother, father, and brother had all died here." [This is incorrect, as mentioned in the BTS]
Secret Weapon: "Together with Ferus, he was the closest to family that Trever had known since his own family had died, every last one of them. Mother. Father. Brother."
Reckoning: "He had lost his entire family, and though he had become a street thief and a con, he had also become a hero. He just didn't know it yet."
The mother's death was the source of the indirect mentions. To be clear, this is not intended to be an exhaustive list of mentions of the mother's death in the books. It's just the first ones that popped up right now. In preparing this article, I was more thorough with searches of "mother," "father," "brother," "family," "Trever" (to an extent), "Flumes," etc. NaruHinaTalk 20:31, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
I think in ref , the sentence should end as " sometime around the first year" instead of "within." What do you think?
For ref , I think just saying that the book establishes all clone troopers of the Grand Army of the Republic were males should be enough, instead of quoting the relevant line from the book. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 17:32, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
Cropped the quotation. NaruHinaTalk 20:31, July 17, 2019 (UTC)