[04/22/12 03:26:55] <@Darth_Humber> First up is something extended from last meeting
[04/22/12 03:27:01] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garik_Loran
[04/22/12 03:27:04] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3885344
[04/22/12 03:27:07] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Garik_Loran
[04/22/12 03:27:13] <@Darth_Humber> Kudos to Culator for getting the diff links
[04/22/12 03:27:35] <@Darth_Humber> Outstanding issues from RFAN
[04/22/12 03:27:47] <@Xd1358> All part of the my awesome template *smirk*
[04/22/12 03:27:50] <@Menkooroo> still severely lacking in The Unifying Force info
[04/22/12 03:28:03] <@Darth_Humber> thanks, ecks :P
[04/22/12 03:28:07] <@Menkooroo> Two vague sentences aren't enough.
[04/22/12 03:28:12] <@Culator|Away> Yeah, but it was my idea two meetings ago to add them to the meeting page in the first place. :P
[04/22/12 03:28:17] <@CC7567> Kill
[04/22/12 03:28:20] <@Darth_Humber> Kill
[04/22/12 03:28:23] <@Jujiggum> Kill it
[04/22/12 03:28:24] <@Cal_Jedi> Kill
[04/22/12 03:28:25] <@Menkooroo> kill
[04/22/12 03:28:27] <@Tommy9281> kill
[04/22/12 03:28:30] <@Xd1358> ugh, s/the my/my/
[04/22/12 03:28:31] <@Xd1358> Kill
[04/22/12 03:28:32] <@IFYLOFD> Kill
[04/22/12 03:28:35] * @CavalierOne wakes up from napping in chair to shout kill
[04/22/12 03:28:38] <@Darth_Humber> Garik Loran is killed.
[04/22/12 03:28:43] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Malak
[04/22/12 03:28:47] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938503
[04/22/12 03:28:49] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Malak
[04/22/12 03:29:01] <@Culator|Away> Nayayen got it and I tweaked it.
[04/22/12 03:29:09] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 03:29:12] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 03:29:14] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 03:29:15] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 03:29:15] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 03:29:16] <@Cal_Jedi> Keeper
[04/22/12 03:29:20] <@Jujiggum> Keepify
[04/22/12 03:29:21] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 03:29:28] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 03:29:30] <@Darth_Humber> Darth Malak kept
[04/22/12 03:29:36] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bal%27demnic
[04/22/12 03:29:39] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938500
[04/22/12 03:29:41] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Bal%27demnic
[04/22/12 03:30:17] <@Culator|Away> That was such a silly one. Of all the planets Luceno could have chosen. But I think Aziz took care of it.
[04/22/12 03:30:37] <@Tommy9281> ya
[04/22/12 03:30:49] <@CC7567> Any Plagueis experts in the house that see anything missing?
[04/22/12 03:30:57] <@CavalierOne> Looks good from what I remember of Plagueis.
[04/22/12 03:31:01] <@Menkooroo> Keep/
[04/22/12 03:31:02] <@Jujiggum> Haven't read Plagueis yet myself
[04/22/12 03:31:03] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 03:31:04] <@Jujiggum> Keep
[04/22/12 03:31:05] <@Tommy9281> lemme look
[04/22/12 03:31:07] <@Tommy9281> i know it well
[04/22/12 03:31:09] <@Jujiggum> If it's good
[04/22/12 03:31:35] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 03:31:42] <@Xd1358> Jeep
[04/22/12 03:31:49] <@CavalierOne> Sleep.
[04/22/12 03:31:55] <@GreenTentacle> Keep.
[04/22/12 03:31:58] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 03:31:59] <@Cal_Jedi> Smeep
[04/22/12 03:32:03] <@Xd1358> per Cav
[04/22/12 03:32:03] <@Darth_Humber> Baldemnic kept
[04/22/12 03:32:09] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Janus_Greejatus
[04/22/12 03:32:11] <@Tommy9281> lol ok keep
[04/22/12 03:32:13] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938499
[04/22/12 03:32:16] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Janus_Greejatus
[04/22/12 03:32:45] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 03:32:47] <@Jujiggum> No quotes? Also, is that much subsectioning needed?
[04/22/12 03:32:48] <@Darth_Humber> Apologies ahead of time if I skip over anyone's vote. I'm trying to keep this moving and will take a consensus when sufficient votes are reached.
[04/22/12 03:32:51] <@Darth_Humber> So nothing personal :P
[04/22/12 03:33:17] <@Tommy9281> its good
[04/22/12 03:33:47] <@Darth_Humber> that Senator subsectoin could probably be merged with something else
[04/22/12 03:33:53] <@Jujiggum> FWIW I wouldn't kill on subsectioning, that's a sofixit. Just wondering :P
[04/22/12 03:33:56] <@Darth_Humber> I honestly don't know about quotes
[04/22/12 03:33:57] <@Menkooroo> I'm planning to read Plagueis soon. If I find any quotes, I'll add them.
[04/22/12 03:33:58] <@CavalierOne> Should be quotes, I agree.
[04/22/12 03:34:09] <@Culator|Away> Meh to quotes. Keep.
[04/22/12 03:34:12] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 03:34:13] <@Menkooroo> Keep.
[04/22/12 03:34:14] <@Jujiggum> If Menk can add em, that's all I have, so Keep
[04/22/12 03:34:15] <@Darth_Humber> there should be years in the successoin box too
[04/22/12 03:34:20] <@CavalierOne> The last three subs sections could probably be merged, but keep
[04/22/12 03:34:26] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep if quotes are added.
[04/22/12 03:34:30] <@Darth_Humber> for Palpatine and Vancil
[04/22/12 03:34:32] <@GreenTentacle> Keep, but somebody find a quote.
[04/22/12 03:34:38] <@CavalierOne> Red link in sources
[04/22/12 03:35:04] <@Menkooroo> That's... OK.
[04/22/12 03:35:22] <@Darth_Humber> there are probably more ROTJ things to add to the Appearances
[04/22/12 03:35:24] <@Menkooroo> I'll add years to the box now.
[04/22/12 03:35:38] <@Menkooroo> I've checked the ROTJ adaptations for the advisors
[04/22/12 03:35:41] <@Darth_Humber> anything that includes the scene where Vader walks in on Palpatine talking to the two aides and mentions dignitaries in that scene is fair game
[04/22/12 03:35:43] <@Menkooroo> Usually, they ain't there
[04/22/12 03:36:48] <@Darth_Humber> Sim Aloo, for example, includes severl other adaptations
[04/22/12 03:36:48] <@Darth_Humber> I believe I helped Tranner look those up
[04/22/12 03:36:48] <@Darth_Humber> so IIRC, they're definitely there
[04/22/12 03:37:10] <@Darth_Humber> the fact that this is a 2008 nom tells me they weren't checked out of laziness and/or ignorance
[04/22/12 03:37:20] <@Darth_Humber> that was before we really started enforcing people to look up all adaptations
[04/22/12 03:37:58] <@CavalierOne> Annotated screenplays, art of books,
[04/22/12 03:38:19] <@Darth_Humber> there's going to be a half-dozen, at least
[04/22/12 03:38:21] <@Darth_Humber> most likely more
[04/22/12 03:38:33] <@Darth_Humber> most likely a Po or two in things like the PhotoComic
[04/22/12 03:39:14] <@Darth_Humber> I don't personally consider this light enough to just let it go and trust it will get handled
[04/22/12 03:39:24] <@Darth_Humber> If we want to extend probation for it, I'm ok with that
[04/22/12 03:39:27] <@CC7567> Shall we extend then?
[04/22/12 03:39:27] <@Menkooroo> {{Po}} sources don't add anything to the article.
[04/22/12 03:39:28] <@Darth_Humber> but I want to see this stuff checked
[04/22/12 03:39:30] <@Darth_Humber> I can help if you need help
[04/22/12 03:39:33] <@Jujiggum> I'd be okay with an extend to look into this stuff
[04/22/12 03:39:37] <@Culator|Away> Hmm.
[04/22/12 03:39:39] <@Menkooroo> I'm OK with keeping and then adding them afterward
[04/22/12 03:40:05] <@CC7567> I'd say extend if that's the general feeling, as it's safer than just saying keep and letting potential problems go by
[04/22/12 03:40:10] <@Darth_Humber> per CC
[04/22/12 03:40:13] <@Jujiggum> Per CC
[04/22/12 03:40:13] <@Culator|Away> Yeah.
[04/22/12 03:40:17] <@Cal_Jedi> Indeed.
[04/22/12 03:40:27] <@Darth_Humber> I vote for extend probe
[04/22/12 03:40:30] <@CC7567> Extend
[04/22/12 03:40:34] <@Cal_Jedi> Extend
[04/22/12 03:40:38] <@Xd1358> Extenzior
[04/22/12 03:40:51] <@Menkooroo> kep.
[04/22/12 03:40:52] <@Culator|Away> I'll flip-flop as well.
[04/22/12 03:40:53] <@Tommy9281> extend
[04/22/12 03:40:53] <@Menkooroo> *keep
[04/22/12 03:41:42] <@Jujiggum> To clarify: I'm voting extend
[04/22/12 03:41:43] <@IFYLOFD> Extend
[04/22/12 03:41:48] <@Darth_Humber> Janus Greejatus extended
[04/22/12 03:41:54] <@CavalierOne> Extend for source checking
[04/22/12 03:42:02] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ranulph_Tarkin
[04/22/12 03:42:07] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938504
[04/22/12 03:42:11] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ranulph_Tarkin
[04/22/12 03:42:45] <@Darth_Humber> Jinzler handled an update, apparently
[04/22/12 03:42:49] <@Darth_Humber> we can disregard Warfare updates for now
[04/22/12 03:42:54] <@CC7567> Sure
[04/22/12 03:42:55] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 03:42:58] <@Jujiggum> Yep, keep
[04/22/12 03:43:00] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 03:43:06] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 03:43:07] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 03:43:15] <@Culator|Away> Now this is a funny one. He's fine for Plagueis. He needs an update for Warfare, but that hasn't been out a month, so we'll probe him again next meeting.
[04/22/12 03:43:20] <@Culator|Away> Keep. :P
[04/22/12 03:43:23] <@Darth_Humber> heh
[04/22/12 03:43:31] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 03:43:37] <@Darth_Humber> Ranulph Tarkin kept.
[04/22/12 03:43:44] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/500_Republica
[04/22/12 03:43:47] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938505
[04/22/12 03:43:51] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/500_Republica
[04/22/12 03:44:06] <@Jujiggum> Keep
[04/22/12 03:44:22] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 03:44:33] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 03:44:36] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 03:44:42] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 03:44:45] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 03:45:01] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 03:45:07] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 03:45:12] <@Darth_Humber> 500 Republica kept
[04/22/12 03:45:17] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lorn_Pavan
[04/22/12 03:45:22] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938560
[04/22/12 03:45:24] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Lorn_Pavan
[04/22/12 03:45:34] <@Darth_Humber> Jinzler updated
[04/22/12 03:45:35] <@Jujiggum> Looks good, keep
[04/22/12 03:45:40] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 03:45:46] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 03:45:47] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 03:45:50] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 03:45:53] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 03:45:53] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 03:46:04] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 03:46:23] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 03:46:26] <@Darth_Humber> Lorn Pavan kept
[04/22/12 03:46:30] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yinchorri
[04/22/12 03:46:33] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938565
[04/22/12 03:46:36] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Yinchorri
[04/22/12 03:46:47] <@Darth_Humber> Same Jinzler
[04/22/12 03:47:31] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 03:47:34] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 03:47:35] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 03:47:36] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 03:47:36] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 03:47:38] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 03:47:43] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 03:47:44] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 03:47:48] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 03:47:54] <@Darth_Humber> Yinchorri kept
[04/22/12 03:47:59] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_Guard
[04/22/12 03:48:01] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938564
[04/22/12 03:48:04] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sun_Guard_(second_review)
[04/22/12 03:48:35] <@Culator|Away> This one has me puzzled. The update tag had been removed, then Mister random alphanumeric there put it back on.
[04/22/12 03:48:41] <@Cal_Jedi> Kinect Star Wars? Seriously? :|
[04/22/12 03:48:50] <@Menkooroo> kinect is less than a month old
[04/22/12 03:48:53] <@Jujiggum> Well, looks like an update was added
[04/22/12 03:48:55] <@Culator|Away> I can't see anything relevant missing from Plagueis.
[04/22/12 03:48:56] <@Jujiggum> But not very well
[04/22/12 03:49:01] <@Jujiggum> REF tags in body
[04/22/12 03:49:28] <@Jujiggum> And a missing ref
[04/22/12 03:49:45] <@Jujiggum> Right above the "In service of Darth Plagueis" section
[04/22/12 03:49:54] <@Darth_Humber> good catch
[04/22/12 03:50:11] <@IFYLOFD> I say extend, since we just caught this
[04/22/12 03:50:22] <@GreenTentacle> Extend to tidy it up.
[04/22/12 03:50:23] <@Tommy9281> I can get with that
[04/22/12 03:50:24] <@CC7567> Extend
[04/22/12 03:50:26] <@Jujiggum> Extend
[04/22/12 03:50:28] <@Culator|Away> Yeah.
[04/22/12 03:50:30] <@Cal_Jedi> Extend
[04/22/12 03:50:35] <@CavalierOne> Extend
[04/22/12 03:50:37] <@GreenTentacle> I don't care about Kinect info. :P
[04/22/12 03:50:43] <@Menkooroo> extend for tidying.
[04/22/12 03:50:43] <@Xd1358> extend
[04/22/12 03:50:49] <@Darth_Humber> Sun Guard extended.
[04/22/12 03:50:53] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chamma
[04/22/12 03:50:55] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938575
[04/22/12 03:50:58] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Chamma
[04/22/12 03:51:11] <@Culator|Away> Nothing.
[04/22/12 03:51:13] <@Culator|Away> Kill.
[04/22/12 03:51:15] <@Darth_Humber> Kill
[04/22/12 03:51:17] <@Jujiggum> I'd be willing to extend anything TOR if there was someone actively working on it
[04/22/12 03:51:20] <@Darth_Humber> per Jugs
[04/22/12 03:51:23] <@Jujiggum> But that isn't the case here, so kill
[04/22/12 03:51:27] <@Menkooroo> kill
[04/22/12 03:51:29] <@Cal_Jedi> Killer
[04/22/12 03:51:29] <@Darth_Humber> TOR still can buy some leniency, but prove you're working on it
[04/22/12 03:51:31] <@Darth_Humber> This has nothing
[04/22/12 03:51:32] <@Tommy9281> kill
[04/22/12 03:51:43] <@IFYLOFD> Kill
[04/22/12 03:51:48] <@Tommy9281> I give a pass to kill TOTJ stuff unless otherwise stated by ME
[04/22/12 03:51:53] <@CavalierOne> Kill
[04/22/12 03:51:59] <@Tommy9281> The age old stuff
[04/22/12 03:52:00] <@CC7567> Kill
[04/22/12 03:52:06] <@Darth_Humber> Chamma killed.
[04/22/12 03:52:10] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sio_Bibble
[04/22/12 03:52:13] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938574
[04/22/12 03:52:17] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sio_Bibble_(third_review)
[04/22/12 03:52:25] <@Menkooroo> tag-team taken care of.
[04/22/12 03:52:33] <@CC7567> I think the update was done, but I'd like for more expansion overall
[04/22/12 03:52:46] <@Culator|Away> THE POWER OF BEARD COMPELS YOU
[04/22/12 03:52:47] <@CC7567> In terms of context, the post–Phantom stuff is kinda just glossed over
[04/22/12 03:52:58] <@CC7567> I would say it's worth extending to fix this
[04/22/12 03:53:06] <@Darth_Humber> is that TCW stuff?
[04/22/12 03:53:36] <@CC7567> TCW stuff namely, but yeah, the "After the invasion" stuff is just a jumble
[04/22/12 03:53:57] <@Darth_Humber> I can get on board with that
[04/22/12 03:54:02] <@Menkooroo> I'm not sure if there's really all that much more to add.
[04/22/12 03:54:03] <@Darth_Humber> I trust CC's TCW judgment
[04/22/12 03:54:07] <@Jujiggum> I'd be willing to extend for some fleshing out
[04/22/12 03:54:18] <@Menkooroo> Considering ROTS and TCW were like two-second appearances
[04/22/12 03:54:27] <@CC7567> I'll do it if need be :P
[04/22/12 03:54:41] <@Darth_Humber> the fact that if CC wrote this it would LOOK better should be enough to tell you it needs sprucing up
[04/22/12 03:54:44] <@CC7567> I just don't like the way that a decade of in-universe material gets lumped together like that
[04/22/12 03:54:54] <@Darth_Humber> as I said, CC's judgment is good enough to me
[04/22/12 03:55:22] <@Culator|Away> Oh, fine. :P
[04/22/12 03:55:45] * @Culator|Away mumbles something Jang-like about TCW.
[04/22/12 03:55:50] <@Cal_Jedi> XD
[04/22/12 03:55:54] <@Jujiggum> haha
[04/22/12 03:55:59] <@Darth_Humber> heh
[04/22/12 03:56:18] <@Jujiggum> Anyway, extend
[04/22/12 03:56:21] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 03:56:23] <@Darth_Humber> Extend
[04/22/12 03:56:23] <@Culator|Away> Extend.
[04/22/12 03:56:25] <@Cal_Jedi> Sio Bibble's update could only mean one thing... extend.
[04/22/12 03:56:28] <@CavalierOne> Extend
[04/22/12 03:56:28] <@Tommy9281> extenze
[04/22/12 03:56:29] <@IFYLOFD> Extend
[04/22/12 03:56:33] <@CC7567> Extend
[04/22/12 03:56:51] <@Darth_Humber> Sio Bibble extended
[04/22/12 03:57:00] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Peppi_Bow
[04/22/12 03:57:03] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938582
[04/22/12 03:57:06] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Peppi_Bow_(second_review)
[04/22/12 03:57:11] <@Culator|Away> OK, this is where I wanted to do something odd.
[04/22/12 03:57:12] <@Menkooroo> Culator!
[04/22/12 03:57:25] <@Culator|Away> I think we should extend the next four articles. Just skip them all.
[04/22/12 03:57:38] <@Culator|Away> Lego Star Wars III is proving elusive.
[04/22/12 03:57:46] <@Menkooroo> And Trayus is hunting.
[04/22/12 03:57:47] <@IFYLOFD> I'm down with streamlining things
[04/22/12 03:58:08] <@Jujiggum> Sounds good to me. Extend all four
[04/22/12 03:58:08] <@CC7567> I agree with Culator; I think there's like only one person on the site who has the info in question
[04/22/12 03:58:17] <@GreenTentacle> Per Culator.
[04/22/12 03:58:24] <@Culator|Away> So immediately extend Peppi Bow, Mar Tuuk, Faro Argyus, and Bolla Ropal.
[04/22/12 03:58:26] <@Menkooroo> extend X4
[04/22/12 03:58:34] <@IFYLOFD> Extend extend extend extend
[04/22/12 03:58:41] <@CavalierOne> Aye
[04/22/12 03:58:42] <@CC7567> Extend
[04/22/12 03:58:43] <@Cal_Jedi> Extend all four.
[04/22/12 03:58:44] <@Xd1358> extend
[04/22/12 03:59:06] <@Darth_Humber> Extend
[04/22/12 03:59:15] <@Tommy9281> extend
[04/22/12 03:59:41] <@Darth_Humber> Peppi Bow, Mar Tuuk, Faro Argyus, and Bolla Ropal extended
[04/22/12 03:59:47] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CC-5869
[04/22/12 03:59:50] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938590
[04/22/12 03:59:53] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CC-5869
[04/22/12 04:00:02] <@CC7567> update's good, I checked
[04/22/12 04:00:09] <@Menkooroo> Le keep!
[04/22/12 04:00:10] <@Tommy9281> giood enough for me.
[04/22/12 04:00:13] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:00:16] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:00:23] <@Jujiggum> Keep
[04/22/12 04:00:25] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 04:00:25] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:00:33] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 04:00:37] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 04:01:16] <@Darth_Humber> CC-5869 kept
[04/22/12 04:01:21] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cad_Bane
[04/22/12 04:01:23] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938623
[04/22/12 04:01:26] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Cad_Bane_(second_review)
[04/22/12 04:01:34] <@CC7567> I abstain, but the updates are done :P
[04/22/12 04:01:43] <@Culator|Away> Oy.
[04/22/12 04:01:43] <@CC7567> And miraculously it survived April 1st :P
[04/22/12 04:01:45] <@Darth_Humber> I trust the clone :P
[04/22/12 04:01:47] <@Jujiggum> Yikes. Keep
[04/22/12 04:01:49] <@Darth_Humber> hahaha
[04/22/12 04:01:52] <@CC7567> And thanks for cleaning it up, Culator
[04/22/12 04:01:52] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:01:55] <@Menkooroo> Keep Fett
[04/22/12 04:01:57] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 04:01:58] <@Menkooroo> I mean... right.
[04/22/12 04:02:00] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 04:02:01] <@Culator|Away> Wasn't much.
[04/22/12 04:02:01] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:02:03] <@Culator|Away> Keep.
[04/22/12 04:02:06] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:02:36] <@Darth_Humber> Cad Bane kept
[04/22/12 04:02:43] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Noab_Hulis
[04/22/12 04:02:46] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938592
[04/22/12 04:02:49] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Noab_Hulis
[04/22/12 04:02:53] <@Culator|Away> Nobody loves the poor blind guy.
[04/22/12 04:02:59] <@Culator|Away> Put him out of his misery.
[04/22/12 04:03:01] <@Tommy9281> kill noab
[04/22/12 04:03:01] <@Jujiggum> Same as other TOR thing earlier. Kill
[04/22/12 04:03:04] <@Darth_Humber> Kill
[04/22/12 04:03:08] <@Cal_Jedi> Per Jugs.
[04/22/12 04:03:10] <@Cal_Jedi> Kill
[04/22/12 04:03:13] <@Xd1358> Kill the blind guy
[04/22/12 04:03:25] <@CC7567> Kill
[04/22/12 04:03:31] <@CavalierOne> Kill
[04/22/12 04:03:33] <@CC7567> (I'm assuming this wasn't one of the ones that needed more time?)
[04/22/12 04:03:33] <@Menkooroo> Kill
[04/22/12 04:03:40] <@IFYLOFD> Kill
[04/22/12 04:03:47] <@Darth_Humber> Noab Hulis killed
[04/22/12 04:03:55] <@Darth_Humber> I assume so as well
[04/22/12 04:03:56] <@Culator|Away> CC: Nobody's working on this one, apparently. Not one of Trayus's.
[04/22/12 04:04:03] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bandon
[04/22/12 04:04:06] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938595
[04/22/12 04:04:09] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Bandon
[04/22/12 04:04:21] <@CavalierOne> Head in a jar!
[04/22/12 04:04:22] <@IFYLOFD> Darth Bandon
[04/22/12 04:04:23] <@Culator|Away> I had to do this one myself. It was hilarious.
[04/22/12 04:04:26] <@IFYLOFD> Never got that name
[04/22/12 04:04:35] <@Tommy9281> abandon
[04/22/12 04:04:41] <@Tommy9281> reckless abandon
[04/22/12 04:04:42] <@Jujiggum> I could do with the last para of the intro not being so short
[04/22/12 04:04:43] <@Xd1358> ^
[04/22/12 04:04:45] <@Jujiggum> But no real complaints
[04/22/12 04:04:52] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 04:04:57] <@Jujiggum> Keep
[04/22/12 04:04:59] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 04:05:03] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:05:04] <@CC7567> Too bad Kasra's no longer here
[04/22/12 04:05:04] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 04:05:06] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 04:05:10] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:05:12] <@Menkooroo> Also, back in five minutes.
[04/22/12 04:05:33] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:05:37] <@Darth_Humber> Darth Bandon kept
[04/22/12 04:05:41] <@IFYLOFD> Ah, reckless abandon
[04/22/12 04:05:41] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Berooken
[04/22/12 04:05:45] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938604
[04/22/12 04:05:45] <@IFYLOFD> Didn't think of that
[04/22/12 04:05:49] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Berooken
[04/22/12 04:06:07] <@Culator|Away> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:PickledSith-TORCodex.png <- "Say thank you, Bandon." ... "He's bobbing. See the way he's bobbing? That means 'thank you.'"
[04/22/12 04:06:08] <@Darth_Humber> Trayus apparently got it
[04/22/12 04:06:18] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 04:06:20] <@Jujiggum> Keep
[04/22/12 04:06:21] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:06:23] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 04:06:26] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 04:06:27] <@CavalierOne> One thing - I think that the Journal of Master Gnost-Dural identified Berookan as male
[04/22/12 04:06:27] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:06:31] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:06:39] <@CavalierOne> Which is not reflected in the article.
[04/22/12 04:06:48] <@CC7567> Beerokan or Beeroken?
[04/22/12 04:06:49] <@Darth_Humber> I think we discussed this last meeting, IIRC
[04/22/12 04:07:33] <@Darth_Humber> From last meeting:
[04/22/12 04:07:35] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:01:57] <@CC7567> Darth Bandon probed
[04/22/12 04:07:37] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:02:06] <@CC7567> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Berooken
[04/22/12 04:07:38] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:02:26] <@CC7567> Trayus took care of this one, though Hanzo asked about the character's gender
[04/22/12 04:07:40] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:02:28] <@CC7567> Is Berooken a male, or undetermined gender? Gender is not listed in infobox or category, but the character is referred to as male in the article itself. Hanzo Hasashi 17:43, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
[04/22/12 04:07:42] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:03:15] <@CC7567> Anyone know about this one?
[04/22/12 04:07:43] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:03:21] * Menkooroo ([redacted]@wookieepedia/Menkooroo) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[04/22/12 04:07:45] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:03:23] <@Toprawa> That Hanzo...always creating work for us :P
[04/22/12 04:07:47] <@Darth_Humber> [03/04/12 03:03:33] <@CC7567> Could be a simple error, but it might be probe-worthy just to clear it up
[04/22/12 04:07:58] <@CavalierOne> The physical book settles it, I think
[04/22/12 04:08:01] <@CavalierOne> Let me check
[04/22/12 04:09:47] <@CavalierOne> Definiately identified as male
[04/22/12 04:10:00] <@Darth_Humber> Thanks for looking
[04/22/12 04:10:05] <@Jujiggum> Cool
[04/22/12 04:10:19] <@Jujiggum> I think we can add that to the article ourselves, not really probe-worthy, yes?
[04/22/12 04:10:19] <@Darth_Humber> it's probably an easy enough fix that we don't need to probe, since we now have confirmation
[04/22/12 04:10:24] <@CC7567> Keep then
[04/22/12 04:10:28] <@Darth_Humber> if anyone feels like it, or if they want to just tell Trayus
[04/22/12 04:10:34] <@CavalierOne> "Supreme Chancellor Berooken had remained behind on Coruscant and was at that time in the Senate Tower, where he had"
[04/22/12 04:10:42] <@Xd1358> brb
[04/22/12 04:10:47] <@CavalierOne> Pg. 99, physical copy for reference.
[04/22/12 04:11:16] <@Culator|Away> I'll get it.
[04/22/12 04:11:32] <@Darth_Humber> ok, I vote Keep then
[04/22/12 04:11:50] <@Jujiggum> Still keep
[04/22/12 04:11:51] <@CavalierOne> Keep on proviso gender issue is addressed.
[04/22/12 04:11:56] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep. Thanks, Cav.
[04/22/12 04:12:08] <@Darth_Humber> Assuming all previous keep votes still stand...
[04/22/12 04:12:10] <@Darth_Humber> Berooken kept
[04/22/12 04:12:20] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jace_Malcom
[04/22/12 04:12:24] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938603
[04/22/12 04:12:26] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jace_Malcom
[04/22/12 04:12:28] <@IFYLOFD> Jace Malcom
[04/22/12 04:12:29] <@IFYLOFD> Solid name
[04/22/12 04:12:34] <@Culator|Away> Here's another place we can just skip some.
[04/22/12 04:12:54] <@Jujiggum> I'd be willing to extend this, Sacking, and Blockade per Culator
[04/22/12 04:13:09] <@Menkooroo> ditto.
[04/22/12 04:13:12] <@CavalierOne> Will be a major character in an upcoming novel, though.
[04/22/12 04:13:13] <@CC7567> Per Jon
[04/22/12 04:13:42] <@Darth_Humber> Ok, vote to extend these three, then?
[04/22/12 04:13:48] <@CC7567> Cav: Rendar survived Shadow Games
[04/22/12 04:13:49] <@CC7567> :P
[04/22/12 04:13:58] <@Cal_Jedi> Tope: Sounds good.
[04/22/12 04:14:00] <@Tommy9281> yes
[04/22/12 04:14:00] <@CavalierOne> Rendar had someone looking out for it :P
[04/22/12 04:14:24] <@Darth_Humber> I vote Extend
[04/22/12 04:14:32] <@Darth_Humber> Any others?
[04/22/12 04:14:35] <@Darth_Humber> I got 6, I think
[04/22/12 04:14:45] <@IFYLOFD> Extend
[04/22/12 04:14:46] <@Cal_Jedi> Extend.
[04/22/12 04:14:57] <@CavalierOne> Extend
[04/22/12 04:15:09] <@Darth_Humber> Jace Malcolm, Sacking of Coruscant, and Blockade of the Hydian Way extended
[04/22/12 04:15:15] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Alderaan_(Great_Galactic_War)
[04/22/12 04:15:17] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938598
[04/22/12 04:15:23] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Alderaan_(Great_Galactic_War)
[04/22/12 04:15:53] <@IFYLOFD> Shit, how many articles are there?
[04/22/12 04:16:01] <@Menkooroo> Trayus got it, according to his comments on the meeting page.
[04/22/12 04:16:06] <@Darth_Humber> Four more after this one
[04/22/12 04:16:07] <@CC7567> I'm assuming everything's good, so keep
[04/22/12 04:16:12] <@Darth_Humber> then new articles
[04/22/12 04:16:12] <@Tommy9281> too damn many
[04/22/12 04:16:17] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 04:16:18] <@Jujiggum> Keep
[04/22/12 04:16:20] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 04:16:21] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:16:23] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:16:27] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:16:35] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 04:16:41] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 04:16:44] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 04:16:49] <@Darth_Humber> Battle of Alderaan kept
[04/22/12 04:16:57] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hylo_Visz
[04/22/12 04:17:00] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938613
[04/22/12 04:17:03] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Hylo_Visz
[04/22/12 04:17:12] <@Darth_Humber> Please also see meeting page discussion if you're interested
[04/22/12 04:17:21] <@Menkooroo> keep.
[04/22/12 04:17:22] <@CavalierOne> Keep per comments on meeting page.
[04/22/12 04:17:26] <@Jujiggum> Keep per said discussion
[04/22/12 04:17:28] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:17:29] <@GreenTentacle> Keep.
[04/22/12 04:17:30] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 04:17:31] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:17:40] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 04:17:41] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:17:49] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 04:18:00] <@Darth_Humber> Hylo Visz kept
[04/22/12 04:18:10] <@Darth_Humber> And apparently a reminder needed that people should specify what needs updating if they add an update tag
[04/22/12 04:18:14] <@Darth_Humber> we've been over this before
[04/22/12 04:18:21] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_Yavin_4
[04/22/12 04:18:24] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938614
[04/22/12 04:18:26] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Mission_to_Yavin_4
[04/22/12 04:18:32] <@Darth_Humber> See page for discussion
[04/22/12 04:18:40] <@Jujiggum> Keep
[04/22/12 04:18:42] <@CC7567> Trayus requested extend, so I say extend
[04/22/12 04:18:49] <@Menkooroo> Trayus said he got this one.
[04/22/12 04:18:51] <@Menkooroo> Keep.
[04/22/12 04:18:55] <@CC7567> Oh wait, nevermind
[04/22/12 04:18:57] <@CC7567> keep
[04/22/12 04:18:58] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 04:19:00] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:19:02] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:19:05] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 04:19:11] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 04:19:15] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:19:16] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 04:19:17] <@Darth_Humber> Mission to Yavin 4 kept
[04/22/12 04:19:22] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Foerost_(Great_Sith_War)
[04/22/12 04:19:25] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938618
[04/22/12 04:19:27] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Foerost_(Great_Sith_War)
[04/22/12 04:19:31] <@Darth_Humber> I've been going over the French RPG scenario that prompted this probe using Google Translate and a nice OCR program that Nayayen discovered recently, and there's quite a bit to it, and it's kinda weird. I'm not entirely certain how we want to handle this one, and it may warrant an extension. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 05:52, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
[04/22/12 04:19:49] <@Culator|Away> Oya. WEIRD stuff.
[04/22/12 04:19:58] <@Tommy9281> like?
[04/22/12 04:19:59] <@Culator|Away> Not done with the scanning or translating yet.
[04/22/12 04:20:07] <@Menkooroo> Extend to let Culator perfect his French.
[04/22/12 04:20:09] <@Cal_Jedi> Is this French stuff canon?
[04/22/12 04:20:16] <@Tommy9281> extend then
[04/22/12 04:20:17] <@Darth_Humber> anything that requires something as awful as French translating deserves an extension :P
[04/22/12 04:20:21] <@CavalierOne> Ambigiously
[04/22/12 04:20:22] <@Jujiggum> I'm good with extend
[04/22/12 04:20:27] <@IFYLOFD> Extend
[04/22/12 04:20:30] <@CavalierOne> Extend
[04/22/12 04:20:31] <@GreenTentacle> Extend.
[04/22/12 04:20:35] <@Xd1358> Extend
[04/22/12 04:20:36] <@Cal_Jedi> Extend.
[04/22/12 04:20:38] <@GreenTentacle> As long as I don't have to translate. :P
[04/22/12 04:20:39] <@CC7567> You can send it my way if you need help translating, Culator; I can try it :P
[04/22/12 04:20:41] <@CC7567> Extend
[04/22/12 04:20:44] <@Culator|Away> http://pastebin.com/XuvFvmA8
[04/22/12 04:20:51] <@Culator|Away> Read the part that's done.
[04/22/12 04:20:53] <@Darth_Humber> Battle of Foerost extended for translating
[04/22/12 04:20:59] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Kiros
[04/22/12 04:21:02] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=3938617
[04/22/12 04:21:04] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Kiros
[04/22/12 04:21:19] <@Jujiggum> I'd like the official name mentioned in the IU body somewhere
[04/22/12 04:21:19] <@Menkooroo> I had one issue, but I just sofixedit.
[04/22/12 04:21:24] <@Menkooroo> Just did that! A ha!
[04/22/12 04:21:26] <@Menkooroo> :P
[04/22/12 04:21:28] <@Jujiggum> But I don't think that's probe-worthy, so Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:30] <@Menkooroo> Great mind,s Jugs.
[04/22/12 04:21:31] <@Jujiggum> Oh
[04/22/12 04:21:32] <@Menkooroo> :)
[04/22/12 04:21:32] <@Jujiggum> sweet
[04/22/12 04:21:34] <@Jujiggum> :D
[04/22/12 04:21:40] <@Darth_Humber> Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:44] <@Menkooroo> keep
[04/22/12 04:21:46] <@CavalierOne> Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:50] <@IFYLOFD> Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:52] <@Culator|Away> Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:53] <@CC7567> Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:54] <@Cal_Jedi> Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:57] <@Xd1358> Keep
[04/22/12 04:21:59] <@Tommy9281> keep
[04/22/12 04:22:09] <@Darth_Humber> Battle of Kiros kept
[04/22/12 04:22:16] <@Darth_Humber> That's it for old stuff
[04/22/12 04:22:17] <@Darth_Humber> New articles
[04/22/12 04:22:19] <@Cal_Jedi> !ya
[04/22/12 04:22:19] <@Nuku-Nuku> Cal_Jedi: Error: "ya" is not a valid command.
[04/22/12 04:22:26] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Manifest_Period
[04/22/12 04:22:28] <@Darth_Humber> My comment from the page:
[04/22/12 04:22:35] <@Darth_Humber> Great Manifest Period - the release of Essential Guide to Warfare has apparently done some significant rearranging of dates that greatly affect this article, per this edit. I can't speak for any of these changes, but something further needs adding or changing here. The sourcing needs to be updated/amended and/or some kind of BTS note needs to be provided explaining whatever change or...
[04/22/12 04:22:36] <@Darth_Humber> ...discrepancy there is between EGTW and the Atlas. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:38, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
[04/22/12 04:22:43] <@Darth_Humber> This edit: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Manifest_Period?curid=35857&diff=3977509&oldid=3696804
[04/22/12 04:22:55] <@Darth_Humber> as Menkooroo notes on the page, this can be looked over for now since it's Warfare
[04/22/12 04:23:04] <@Darth_Humber> but I had no idea what kind of tag to potentially add to this
[04/22/12 04:23:06] <@Menkooroo> Next month is going to be fun. :P
[04/22/12 04:23:08] <@Darth_Humber> so I don't want this to get lost in the pile
[04/22/12 04:23:10] <@Menkooroo> With all the Warfare updates.
[04/22/12 04:23:39] <@CavalierOne> One thing to note - the changed dates are still reffed to the Atlas, not Warfare.
[04/22/12 04:23:41] <@Darth_Humber> I might just add a general Cleanup tag for now so it shows up for the next meeting, unless someone has a better idea
[04/22/12 04:23:51] <@Darth_Humber> yes, per Cav
[04/22/12 04:24:18] <@Darth_Humber> no vote is required here, so moving on
[04/22/12 04:24:25] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sab%C3%A9
[04/22/12 04:24:26] <@CC7567> We vote to {{Cleanup}}!
[04/22/12 04:24:28] <@CC7567> :P
[04/22/12 04:24:31] <@Darth_Humber> sure :P
[04/22/12 04:24:33] <@Darth_Humber> My comment:
[04/22/12 04:24:38] <@Darth_Humber> (UTC) Sabé - This recent change raises an interesting issue regarding the canonicity of the events in the Episode I video game surrounding Obi-Wan and Sabe's escape from Theed, which the original, FA version of this article wrote off as non-canon, and which this editor seems to dispute. From what I remember of the game, I think I agree with this editor, that there's no reason to...
[04/22/12 04:24:39] <@Darth_Humber> ...necessarily treat this material as non-canon. I believe this can and should be safely worked into the film narrative within the biography. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:20, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
[04/22/12 04:24:48] <@Darth_Humber> This recent change: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sab%C3%A9?diff=3985500&oldid=3955472
[04/22/12 04:24:54] <@Menkooroo> I agree with Tope.
[04/22/12 04:24:59] <@Cal_Jedi> Yes. per Tope
[04/22/12 04:25:00] <@Culator|Away> Eh.
[04/22/12 04:25:01] <@Menkooroo> We've always treated the video game as canon.
[04/22/12 04:25:08] <@Tommy9281> ^^
[04/22/12 04:25:10] <@Menkooroo> Premier's written some GAs from it.
[04/22/12 04:25:17] <@Jujiggum> I don't really know the source material very well, so I'll defer here
[04/22/12 04:25:39] <@Darth_Humber> I think I understand why it was relegated as non-canon, but it can still be worked in, I believe
[04/22/12 04:25:40] <@CavalierOne> Unless a higher canon source states there was no split, then the game should be canon.
[04/22/12 04:25:45] <@Darth_Humber> As weird as it is in relation to the movie
[04/22/12 04:26:05] <@Culator|Away> Might as well probe it to give us a month to argue about it. :P
[04/22/12 04:26:06] <@Jujiggum> Probe then
[04/22/12 04:26:08] <@Cal_Jedi> Nothing particularly contradicts it, as far as I know.
[04/22/12 04:26:09] <@Menkooroo> Probe.
[04/22/12 04:26:09] <@Darth_Humber> basically Sabe and Obi-Wan get split up from the main group trying to escape the planet and have some droid run-ins
[04/22/12 04:26:11] <@Cal_Jedi> Probe.
[04/22/12 04:26:17] <@Darth_Humber> Probe
[04/22/12 04:26:22] <@CavalierOne> Probe
[04/22/12 04:26:29] <@Xd1358> Probe
[04/22/12 04:26:33] <@Xd1358> Probe sabé
[04/22/12 04:26:34] <@Tommy9281> probe
[04/22/12 04:26:34] <@Xd1358> [Redacted by administration]
[04/22/12 04:26:44] <@Darth_Humber> [Redacted by administration]
[04/22/12 04:26:50] <@Culator|Away> Good, good.
[04/22/12 04:26:58] <@Xd1358> Heh
[04/22/12 04:27:04] <@Darth_Humber> Sabe probed
[04/22/12 04:27:10] <@Culator|Away> Since we missed it when Hylo Visz came around.
[04/22/12 04:27:23] <@Darth_Humber> ok, Sun Guard is listed next
[04/22/12 04:27:24] <@CavalierOne> Visz wasn't probed, though.
[04/22/12 04:27:26] <@Menkooroo> Not sure why I put Sun Guard there... it was already on probation.
[04/22/12 04:27:26] <@Darth_Humber> but we looked at that
[04/22/12 04:27:30] <@Darth_Humber> so ignoring that one :P
[04/22/12 04:27:35] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Marn_Hierogryph
[04/22/12 04:27:36] <@Darth_Humber> update needed
[04/22/12 04:27:40] <@CC7567> Probe
[04/22/12 04:27:41] <@Menkooroo> Probe.
[04/22/12 04:27:43] <@Darth_Humber> Probe
[04/22/12 04:27:45] <@Cal_Jedi> Probe
[04/22/12 04:27:46] <@CavalierOne> Probe
[04/22/12 04:27:47] <@Xd1358> CavalierOne: shame
[04/22/12 04:27:49] <@Xd1358> probe
[04/22/12 04:27:58] <@Jujiggum> Probe
[04/22/12 04:28:08] <@IFYLOFD> Probe
[04/22/12 04:28:20] <@Darth_Humber> Marn Hierogryph probed
[04/22/12 04:28:20] <@Culator|Away> Probe per earlier discussion.
[04/22/12 04:28:25] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mara_Jade_Skywalker
[04/22/12 04:28:27] <@Darth_Humber> Update
[04/22/12 04:28:28] <@Menkooroo> already on redux... again, not sure why I put it there.
[04/22/12 04:28:32] <@Xd1358> Probe!
[04/22/12 04:28:32] <@Darth_Humber> Oh
[04/22/12 04:28:39] <@Jujiggum> WAIT
[04/22/12 04:28:39] <@Menkooroo> add a note to the redux page, I guess
[04/22/12 04:28:40] <@Xd1358> awh
[04/22/12 04:28:42] <@Darth_Humber> sure
[04/22/12 04:28:46] <@Jujiggum> This has actually been updated
[04/22/12 04:28:51] <@Jujiggum> Just shoddy wording
[04/22/12 04:29:05] <@Jujiggum> Needs general cleanup, but the update is there
[04/22/12 04:29:06] <@CavalierOne> [Redacted by administration]
[04/22/12 04:29:07] <@Jujiggum> I can fix that
[04/22/12 04:29:11] <@Jujiggum> haha
[04/22/12 04:29:12] <@Jujiggum> Yeah
[04/22/12 04:29:21] <@Darth_Humber> Article's clear, move on to the next one.
[04/22/12 04:29:25] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Manaan
[04/22/12 04:29:27] <@Darth_Humber> Update
[04/22/12 04:29:31] <@Menkooroo> probe
[04/22/12 04:29:37] <@Jujiggum> Probe
[04/22/12 04:29:38] <@Darth_Humber> Probe
[04/22/12 04:29:43] <@Cal_Jedi> Probe
[04/22/12 04:29:44] <@Xd1358> Probe
[04/22/12 04:29:49] <@CavalierOne> Manaan-anaan do-do-do-do-do Manaan-anaan do-do-do
[04/22/12 04:29:52] <@CavalierOne> Probe
[04/22/12 04:29:53] <@Tommy9281> probe
[04/22/12 04:29:59] <@CC7567> Probe
[04/22/12 04:30:02] <@GreenTentacle> Probe
[04/22/12 04:30:07] <@Darth_Humber> Manaan probed
[04/22/12 04:30:12] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Romeo_Treblanc
[04/22/12 04:30:14] <@Darth_Humber> Update
[04/22/12 04:30:28] <@Jujiggum> Probe. Also, kill some of those subsections
[04/22/12 04:30:33] <@CavalierOne> Probe
[04/22/12 04:30:34] <@IFYLOFD> Probe
[04/22/12 04:30:39] <@Cal_Jedi> Per Jugs.
[04/22/12 04:30:41] <@Cal_Jedi> Probe
[04/22/12 04:30:42] <@Tommy9281> probe
[04/22/12 04:30:42] <@Darth_Humber> Probe. Kill subsectoins as needed.
[04/22/12 04:30:43] <@Menkooroo> probe
[04/22/12 04:30:48] <@Xd1358> Probe
[04/22/12 04:30:58] <@Darth_Humber> Romeo Treblanc probed
[04/22/12 04:31:02] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kharys
[04/22/12 04:31:04] <@Darth_Humber> Update
[04/22/12 04:31:07] <@Menkooroo> probe
[04/22/12 04:31:08] <@Jujiggum> Probe
[04/22/12 04:31:17] <@Darth_Humber> Probe
[04/22/12 04:31:24] <@Cal_Jedi> Probeit
[04/22/12 04:31:27] <@CavalierOne> Probe
[04/22/12 04:31:28] <@Culator|Away> Probe like Captain Kirk.
[04/22/12 04:31:30] <@CC7567> Probe
[04/22/12 04:31:32] <@Xd1358> Probe
[04/22/12 04:31:35] <@Culator|Away> (Get it. She's green.)
[04/22/12 04:31:44] <@Tommy9281> probe
[04/22/12 04:31:46] <@Darth_Humber> Kharys probed
[04/22/12 04:31:52] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/XoXaan
[04/22/12 04:31:53] <@Darth_Humber> Update
[04/22/12 04:31:56] <@Menkooroo> Tommy updated it.
[04/22/12 04:31:59] <@Menkooroo> yesterday
[04/22/12 04:32:05] <@Darth_Humber> ah
[04/22/12 04:32:09] <@Tommy9281> xoxaan's good
[04/22/12 04:32:12] <@CC7567> Spare
[04/22/12 04:32:15] <@Jujiggum> Spare, then
[04/22/12 04:32:17] <@Culator|Away> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=XoXaan&action=historysubmit&diff=3995039&oldid=3952370
[04/22/12 04:32:17] <@GreenTentacle> Spare
[04/22/12 04:32:18] <@Xd1358> Spare
[04/22/12 04:32:19] <@CavalierOne> Spare
[04/22/12 04:32:19] <@Darth_Humber> Spare
[04/22/12 04:32:20] <@Cal_Jedi> Spare
[04/22/12 04:32:26] <@Menkooroo> wait
[04/22/12 04:32:29] <@Menkooroo> There was a TOR update tag
[04/22/12 04:32:36] <@Tommy9281> Pointless
[04/22/12 04:32:37] <@Menkooroo> but TOR is not in the sources or the references
[04/22/12 04:32:39] <@Tommy9281> She's not in there
[04/22/12 04:32:41] <@Menkooroo> Tommy: Can you fill us in?
[04/22/12 04:32:48] <@Tommy9281> Well actually
[04/22/12 04:32:58] <@Tommy9281> there's a game mechanic lightsaber with her name on it
[04/22/12 04:33:01] <@Tommy9281> that's all
[04/22/12 04:33:06] <@Tommy9281> I can include it if you all like
[04/22/12 04:33:07] <@IFYLOFD> Spare then
[04/22/12 04:33:09] <@Darth_Humber> BTS mention-worthy?
[04/22/12 04:33:11] <@Menkooroo> {{Mo}} that shit!
[04/22/12 04:33:12] <@Cal_Jedi> Per Tope
[04/22/12 04:33:13] <@Tommy9281> perhaps
[04/22/12 04:33:15] <@Menkooroo> And maybe BTS
[04/22/12 04:33:16] <@IFYLOFD> Just pop that in there and we're good
[04/22/12 04:33:21] <@Menkooroo> should be in the Apps section as a {{Mo}}, too
[04/22/12 04:33:22] <@Tommy9281> Lemme go look at the saber and i'll add it
[04/22/12 04:33:25] <@Menkooroo> or some other custom tag
[04/22/12 04:33:32] <@Tommy9281> I'll get it
[04/22/12 04:33:35] <@Menkooroo> spare
[04/22/12 04:33:38] <@Jujiggum> Cool, spare
[04/22/12 04:33:38] <@Darth_Humber> ok, spare on Tommy's word
[04/22/12 04:33:39] <@Culator|Away> We did something with those on Bandon and Visz.
[04/22/12 04:33:43] <@Cal_Jedi> Spare
[04/22/12 04:33:43] <@Culator|Away> Check them.
[04/22/12 04:33:47] <@Culator|Away> Spare anyway.
[04/22/12 04:33:51] <@Darth_Humber> XoXaan spared
[04/22/12 04:33:54] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganner_Rhysode
[04/22/12 04:33:56] <@Darth_Humber> Update
[04/22/12 04:33:58] <@Jujiggum> For Ganner: updated, I'mma add a quick note in the intro, but it's good
[04/22/12 04:34:05] <@Jujiggum> That one line was it
[04/22/12 04:34:06] <@Menkooroo> Coolio. Spare.
[04/22/12 04:34:09] <@Darth_Humber> Spare
[04/22/12 04:34:15] <@Cal_Jedi> Spare.
[04/22/12 04:34:19] <@CavalierOne> Spare
[04/22/12 04:34:28] <@Xd1358> spare
[04/22/12 04:34:35] <@Tommy9281> spare
[04/22/12 04:34:52] <@Culator|Away> Spare.
[04/22/12 04:34:52] <@Darth_Humber> Ganner Rhysode spared
[04/22/12 04:34:58] <@Darth_Humber> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rukil
[04/22/12 04:35:00] <@Darth_Humber> Update
[04/22/12 04:35:15] <@CC7567> Probe
[04/22/12 04:35:16] <@IFYLOFD> Crazy old Rukil
[04/22/12 04:35:17] <@Culator|Away> I have exactly no idea how he appears in TOR. So probe.
[04/22/12 04:35:21] <@Menkooroo> It kinda looks like it has been updated.
[04/22/12 04:35:23] <@Darth_Humber> some update has been done
[04/22/12 04:35:30] <@Darth_Humber> I don't know if that's the extent of it
[04/22/12 04:35:32] <@Menkooroo> TOR players: Is there any other info?
[04/22/12 04:35:48] <@Tommy9281> not off the top of my head
[04/22/12 04:35:51] <@Tommy9281> i'd have to research it
[04/22/12 04:36:09] <@Menkooroo> intro and BTS should get some updating, too
[04/22/12 04:36:11] <@CavalierOne> Death needs a ref
[04/22/12 04:36:21] <@Menkooroo> I bet it's TOR. :P
[04/22/12 04:36:22] <@Tommy9281> probe then
[04/22/12 04:36:24] <@Darth_Humber> I think that's just assuming he died before TOR
[04/22/12 04:36:27] <@Darth_Humber> so it would be TOR itself
[04/22/12 04:36:30] <@Menkooroo> I say probe. It'll be a quick fix.
[04/22/12 04:36:47] <@CC7567> Yeah, probe
[04/22/12 04:36:47] <@CavalierOne> Probe
[04/22/12 04:36:49] <@Darth_Humber> Probe
[04/22/12 04:36:54] <@IFYLOFD> Probe
[04/22/12 04:36:55] <@Cal_Jedi> Probe
[04/22/12 04:37:00] <@Jujiggum> Probe
[04/22/12 04:37:13] <@Darth_Humber> Rukil probed
[04/22/12 04:37:16] <@Menkooroo> I believe everything else on the update portion of the maintenance list is from Warfare or something else less than a month old.
[04/22/12 04:37:22] <@Menkooroo> Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
[04/22/12 04:37:36] <@Culator|Away> Checking.
[04/22/12 04:37:55] <@Menkooroo> Sith Magic and Contemplanys Hermi are undergoing major edits.
[04/22/12 04:38:12] <@Menkooroo> They both seem to be well in-hand, though.
[04/22/12 04:38:48] <@CavalierOne> All look like Warfare updates.
[04/22/12 04:38:51] <@Darth_Humber> Tommy, are you still working on Sith magic?
[04/22/12 04:38:51] <@Tommy9281> yes
[04/22/12 04:38:51] <@Darth_Humber> ok
[04/22/12 04:38:51] <@Tommy9281> updates from book of sith
[04/22/12 04:38:51] <@Tommy9281> trying to figure out placements of crap
[04/22/12 04:38:53] <@Darth_Humber> if there's nothing else, assuming Culator finds nothing, does anyone else have anything they want us to look at?
[04/22/12 04:39:05] <@Darth_Humber> If not, we're moving on to discussion.
[04/22/12 04:39:06] <@CavalierOne> I have this thing on my butt ...
[04/22/12 04:39:11] <@CC7567> ...
[04/22/12 04:39:16] <@Darth_Humber> Menkooroo's item is first.
[04/22/12 04:39:17] <@CC7567> Do you want us to look at it?
[04/22/12 04:39:18] <@Darth_Humber> You can all read it
[04/22/12 04:39:18] <@Cal_Jedi> >.>
[04/22/12 04:39:21] <@Darth_Humber> too long to post
[04/22/12 04:39:29] <@Menkooroo> Not much more to add.
[04/22/12 04:39:30] <@Menkooroo> Something needs to be done beyond "OK, let's all promise to pay more attention to it." We've said that before. It didn't accomplish anything.
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[04/22/12 04:39:41] <@Darth_Humber> What exactly is the critical reason for removing this?
[04/22/12 04:39:42] <@Menkooroo> I think we're better off killing it.
[04/22/12 04:39:48] <@Darth_Humber> There are like, what, six articles on there?
[04/22/12 04:40:16] <@Darth_Humber> 9
[04/22/12 04:40:18] <@Menkooroo> The reasons I posted on the meeting page.
[04/22/12 04:40:19] <@Menkooroo> when something that's supposed to be a Featured article sits on it gathering dust for months and months at a time (fourteen of them in the case of Battle of Borleias (Yuuzhan Vong War)) with a template at the top that essentially says "This Featured article may not actually be all that great," the Inquisitorius looks bad, and all of Wookieepedia looks bad.
[04/22/12 04:40:38] <@Darth_Humber> why is this any different than the FAN page?
[04/22/12 04:40:38] <@Menkooroo> Our current policy is to shunt the articles to the redux page where we can forget about them and hope that somebody else deals with them.
[04/22/12 04:40:43] <@Darth_Humber> nominations gather dust there for years sometimes :P
[04/22/12 04:40:46] <@Menkooroo> Because we pay attention to the FAN page.
[04/22/12 04:40:47] <@PurpleTentacle> Redux?
[04/22/12 04:40:53] <@Jujiggum> PT: yep
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[04/22/12 04:41:17] <@Darth_Humber> I see no critical reason to abandon this. It would be one thing if there were 30 articles on here that were all being ignored or something
[04/22/12 04:41:22] <@Cal_Jedi> Per Tope
[04/22/12 04:41:24] <@Tommy9281> .
[04/22/12 04:41:27] <@Darth_Humber> There is work being done here, though
[04/22/12 04:41:28] <@Tommy9281> lmao
[04/22/12 04:41:29] <@Menkooroo> Quantity isn't the issue.
[04/22/12 04:41:31] <@Jujiggum> I personally don't want to kill it, but we really do need to pay more attention to it
[04/22/12 04:41:32] <@Cal_Jedi> I have to agree that I see no real reason to kill it.
[04/22/12 04:41:37] <@Darth_Humber> I see it as equal faults of both reviewers and nominators
[04/22/12 04:41:39] <@Jujiggum> Like, put this on probation :P
[04/22/12 04:41:42] <@Menkooroo> "We need to pay more attention to it" accomplishes nothing.
[04/22/12 04:41:42] <@Xd1358> Per Jugs
[04/22/12 04:41:43] <@Darth_Humber> There are objections that get ignored for months too
[04/22/12 04:41:47] <@Menkooroo> We've tried that.
[04/22/12 04:41:48] <@CavalierOne> Maybe we should reduce the number of articles on redux to help focus attention.
[04/22/12 04:41:53] <@Jujiggum> Let's say, hey we need to have this many reviews done on it in this amount of time
[04/22/12 04:41:55] <@Jujiggum> Or it goes
[04/22/12 04:41:58] <@Jujiggum> By next meeting
[04/22/12 04:42:13] <@Jujiggum> Or somesuch
[04/22/12 04:42:15] <@Tommy9281> I'm good with whatever you all decide
[04/22/12 04:42:17] <@CC7567> I'd tend to agree with Jugs
[04/22/12 04:42:26] <@Menkooroo> A month max. I like it.
[04/22/12 04:42:33] <@Tommy9281> Jon email me
[04/22/12 04:42:35] <@Tommy9281> I have to go all
[04/22/12 04:42:39] <@Tommy9281> Been a pleasure
[04/22/12 04:42:40] <@Cal_Jedi> Later Tommy
[04/22/12 04:42:41] <@Tommy9281> see you soon
[04/22/12 04:42:42] <@Menkooroo> See ya
[04/22/12 04:42:44] <@Jujiggum> Will do
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[04/22/12 04:42:45] <@Jujiggum> peace
[04/22/12 04:42:57] <@Menkooroo> Building on Jon's idea...
[04/22/12 04:42:58] <@Darth_Humber> FWIW, I would like to remind us that Redux was built in mind so that we reviewed individual sections that were updating
[04/22/12 04:43:04] <@Darth_Humber> this isn't reviewing an entire article
[04/22/12 04:43:11] <@Menkooroo> In some cases, it is.
[04/22/12 04:43:13] <@Darth_Humber> That's hardly a lot of work to do
[04/22/12 04:43:13] <@Menkooroo> Articles like Jace and Sagoro
[04/22/12 04:43:15] <@Menkooroo> and Mara
[04/22/12 04:43:26] <@Menkooroo> That were put on the redux page because the entire article got general cleanup
[04/22/12 04:43:27] <@Menkooroo> and Burl Ives
[04/22/12 04:43:32] <@Menkooroo> Four of them.
[04/22/12 04:43:35] <@Darth_Humber> So?
[04/22/12 04:43:39] <@Darth_Humber> So work on them.
[04/22/12 04:43:43] <@Menkooroo> So... you're wrong?
[04/22/12 04:43:52] <@Cal_Jedi> Laziness doesn't seem to be a reason to kill the whole page.
[04/22/12 04:44:15] <@CavalierOne> Kill the FAN page. We're all kinda guilty of laziness :P
[04/22/12 04:44:17] <@Darth_Humber> I'm not supporting a sytem where we support the existence of FAs where *zero Inqs* have read the majority of an article's content
[04/22/12 04:44:20] <@Jujiggum> haha
[04/22/12 04:44:23] <@Xd1358> per Cav
[04/22/12 04:44:24] <@Darth_Humber> which is exactly the point of Redux
[04/22/12 04:44:33] <@Menkooroo> A point that's missed.
[04/22/12 04:44:51] <@Menkooroo> Instead of putting something on the redux page, why not probe it and make it the focus of the next meeting?
[04/22/12 04:44:57] <@Menkooroo> Ask everyone to look it over.
[04/22/12 04:44:58] <@Darth_Humber> An article gets put to Redux because it's been overhauled so significantly that we can't even verify its quality
[04/22/12 04:45:13] <@Darth_Humber> How can you possibly justify keeping those articles as FAs?
[04/22/12 04:45:13] <@Menkooroo> And so the entire article needs review.
[04/22/12 04:45:17] <@Jujiggum> Seriously though. Let's just ultimatum this and see if anything gets done. If it does, keep, cuz then it proves useful. If not, then kill.
[04/22/12 04:45:19] <@Menkooroo> Not individual sections.
[04/22/12 04:45:23] <@Menkooroo> Nothing will get done.
[04/22/12 04:45:28] <@Menkooroo> We've ultimatumed it before.
[04/22/12 04:45:34] <@Jujiggum> No, we haven't.
[04/22/12 04:45:39] <@Jujiggum> We haven't said:
[04/22/12 04:45:47] <@Menkooroo> Ah, I see what you mean.
[04/22/12 04:45:50] <@Menkooroo> Sorry.
[04/22/12 04:45:50] <@Jujiggum> "This page is DEAD if it doesn't get X reviews by next meeting."
[04/22/12 04:45:53] <@Jujiggum> s'ok :P
[04/22/12 04:46:10] <@CavalierOne> Oh, wait. I did kill the FAN page once.
[04/22/12 04:46:13] <@Menkooroo> The redux page is a good idea, but the execution is lacking.
[04/22/12 04:46:19] <@Cal_Jedi> Cav: XD
[04/22/12 04:46:22] <@Menkooroo> It's the easiest thing to ignore. And we do ignore it.
[04/22/12 04:46:33] <@Menkooroo> We could keep reduxing limited to meetings.
[04/22/12 04:46:36] <@Jujiggum> That's true. We can even make it an extended ultimatum
[04/22/12 04:46:45] <@Jujiggum> Say, it needs to get at least five reviews between each meeting
[04/22/12 04:46:47] <@Jujiggum> Or something like that
[04/22/12 04:46:50] <@Jujiggum> Or it dies
[04/22/12 04:46:55] <@Jujiggum> Whatever we need to do to ensure activity
[04/22/12 04:47:03] <@Darth_Humber> Define "dies" for me, just so I'm clear
[04/22/12 04:47:12] <@Jujiggum> Gets deleted. Move everything to probe
[04/22/12 04:47:27] <@Jujiggum> Because that's what would happen to all those articles if the redux didn't exist
[04/22/12 04:47:27] <@CC7567> Wait, what specifically "dies"?
[04/22/12 04:47:31] <@Jujiggum> The redux page
[04/22/12 04:47:40] <@Cal_Jedi> The whole Redux page would be deleted, correct?
[04/22/12 04:47:41] <@Jujiggum> the redux system as a whole
[04/22/12 04:47:44] <@Jujiggum> Yes
[04/22/12 04:47:45] <@Darth_Humber> and what happens if it gets probed?
[04/22/12 04:47:46] <@CC7567> Okay, I see
[04/22/12 04:47:52] <@Menkooroo> Regular probation.
[04/22/12 04:47:52] <@Darth_Humber> it gets sent back to the meeting, which is where it came from
[04/22/12 04:48:01] <@Darth_Humber> this is just creating an endless cycle
[04/22/12 04:48:12] <@Menkooroo> The cycle will end if redux dies.
[04/22/12 04:48:12] <@Jujiggum> Hold on, one sec, lemme explain
[04/22/12 04:48:20] <@CavalierOne> Look, seriously, with 30 noms on the page its a big ask. We barely keep up with FANS as it is, and the article count to look at is effectively doubled. Reduce the numbers on the redux page to allow for a tighter focus.
[04/22/12 04:48:21] <@Menkooroo> I gitcha, Jon.
[04/22/12 04:48:22] <@Darth_Humber> Or we can keep it going, because it's worthwhile :)
[04/22/12 04:48:49] <@Menkooroo> 30 noms? We're not talking about RFAN :P
[04/22/12 04:49:09] <@Jujiggum> If the redux were to die, the articles on it would be treated as if they had gotten probed at the last meeting, with everything that needs looking over per the original redux getting looked over, and the article ultimately killed or kept
[04/22/12 04:49:15] <@Menkooroo> Per Cav, though. We barely keep up with FANs. Redux is a burden we could do without.
[04/22/12 04:49:23] <@Darth_Humber> But that's the problem, Jugs
[04/22/12 04:49:28] <@Darth_Humber> They don't get looked over
[04/22/12 04:49:29] <@Xd1358> I have the optimal solution: Cav deletes the page just like with the FAN.
[04/22/12 04:49:36] <@GreenTentacle> Per Xd.
[04/22/12 04:49:37] <@CavalierOne> \o/
[04/22/12 04:49:43] <@Darth_Humber> No one is going to read through the newly added material for meeting preparation
[04/22/12 04:49:45] <@Menkooroo> We could ensure that they do get looked over.
[04/22/12 04:49:47] <@Jujiggum> Humber: I know, which is why I'm trying to work some way to make sure we keep the redux
[04/22/12 04:49:53] <@Darth_Humber> How, Menkooroo?
[04/22/12 04:50:01] <@Menkooroo> Center the next meeting around them.
[04/22/12 04:50:06] <@Jujiggum> By ultimatum-ing this shit :P
[04/22/12 04:50:11] <@Darth_Humber> And ignore everything else on the meeting agend?
[04/22/12 04:50:14] <@Darth_Humber> Or sit here for 6 hours?
[04/22/12 04:50:15] <@Menkooroo> No.
[04/22/12 04:50:24] <@Menkooroo> If we review beforehand, it won't take six hours.
[04/22/12 04:50:31] <@Darth_Humber> No one is going to do that
[04/22/12 04:50:37] <@Jujiggum> The idea of the redux is that what the articles need is basically full-review worthy
[04/22/12 04:50:37] <@Menkooroo> And no one reviews on redux, either.
[04/22/12 04:50:45] <@Darth_Humber> Wrong
[04/22/12 04:50:47] <@Darth_Humber> People do review.
[04/22/12 04:50:49] <@Jujiggum> Okay
[04/22/12 04:50:51] <@Darth_Humber> Just not as much as we'd like
[04/22/12 04:50:52] <@Jujiggum> Hold on
[04/22/12 04:50:53] <@Menkooroo> Once a month, maybe.
[04/22/12 04:51:01] <@Jujiggum> We're talking in circles, people
[04/22/12 04:51:05] <@Cal_Jedi> The RFAN doesn't have too many more reviews.
[04/22/12 04:51:16] <@Menkooroo> RFAN is different, though.
[04/22/12 04:51:29] <@Menkooroo> RFANing something doesn't stick a tag on the article that says "This FA might not be all that great,:
[04/22/12 04:51:47] <@Jujiggum> That's true
[04/22/12 04:51:54] <@Cal_Jedi> Be that as it may, the reviewing is down. That's no reason to delete the RFAN.
[04/22/12 04:52:01] <@Jujiggum> But that doesn't mean we /shouldn't/ stick that tag an article that might not be that great
[04/22/12 04:52:25] <@Menkooroo> No, definitely.
[04/22/12 04:52:26] <@Darth_Humber> What if we redefined the parameters for a Redux and sent the article back through FAN, stressing on each Redux nomination to focus ONLY on these specific changes?
[04/22/12 04:52:28] <@Menkooroo> That's what the probation tag is for.
[04/22/12 04:52:31] <@Darth_Humber> we could allow both Inq and regular votes as normal
[04/22/12 04:52:41] <@Menkooroo> Now there's an idea.
[04/22/12 04:52:54] <@Darth_Humber> that way it idealy ensures that the new stuff is checked as quality
[04/22/12 04:52:58] <@Darth_Humber> ideally*
[04/22/12 04:53:33] <@Menkooroo> I like that idea.
[04/22/12 04:53:53] <@Darth_Humber> we can revise the tag to say something like "this FA may not of perfect quality, but it's being looked at on FAN to make sure it gets there" etc.
[04/22/12 04:53:55] <@Cal_Jedi> So... the Redux will allow user and Inq, or it would be moved back to FAN?
[04/22/12 04:53:59] <@Menkooroo> For big articles like Mara that get general cleanup throughout the entire article, it still might sit on the page for months and months
[04/22/12 04:54:08] <@Menkooroo> but it will be much more visible to the community
[04/22/12 04:54:27] <@Jujiggum> That sounds like a viable solution to me
[04/22/12 04:55:00] <@Darth_Humber> Allow me to clarify my idea, if I may:
[04/22/12 04:55:03] <@Menkooroo> reduxed articles go onto the FAN page. I like it.
[04/22/12 04:55:22] <@Darth_Humber> I'm suggesting removing Redux entirely,a s Menkooroo is looking for, and instead of sending them to WP:REDUX, put them on the bottom of FAN
[04/22/12 04:55:29] <@Darth_Humber> and they get reviewed as a normal FAN, while focusing only on the new stuff
[04/22/12 04:55:33] <@CC7567> That sounds like a good idae
[04/22/12 04:55:35] <@CC7567> *idea
[04/22/12 04:55:40] <@Darth_Humber> we need to make it clear for the nomination's reviewers
[04/22/12 04:55:43] <@Darth_Humber> leave a diff link, etc.
[04/22/12 04:55:52] <@Menkooroo> Will they require the same amount of Inq votes and stink votes as a regular FAN?
[04/22/12 04:56:06] <@Darth_Humber> I think we can use the current REDUX system we have now
[04/22/12 04:56:10] <@Darth_Humber> 3 Inqs?
[04/22/12 04:56:17] <@Menkooroo> But do we allow community votes?
[04/22/12 04:56:18] <@Darth_Humber> or 2 Inqs and 2 stinks?
[04/22/12 04:56:19] <@Menkooroo> Or just inq votes?
[04/22/12 04:56:31] <@Menkooroo> 4 votes, at least 2 from Inq. That's what the RFAN does.
[04/22/12 04:56:40] <@Darth_Humber> I'm good with that
[04/22/12 04:56:43] <@Jujiggum> Works for me
[04/22/12 04:56:49] <@Cal_Jedi> Yeah.
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[04/22/12 04:56:54] <@Jujiggum> So that would just be making a redux subsection of the FANs, basically?
[04/22/12 04:56:54] <@Menkooroo> I like this idea a lot. It's a great compromise.
[04/22/12 04:56:58] <@Darth_Humber> and change the maintenance tag to say something new
[04/22/12 04:57:10] <@Darth_Humber> we could subsection it, if we want
[04/22/12 04:57:15] <@Darth_Humber> I was envisioning just putting them in the pile
[04/22/12 04:57:19] <@Jujiggum> I think that would be good for clarification
[04/22/12 04:57:20] <@Menkooroo> I like putting them in the pile.
[04/22/12 04:57:24] <@Cal_Jedi> Yeah. Just put them in the piel.
[04/22/12 04:57:27] <@Cal_Jedi> *pile
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[04/22/12 04:57:35] <@Menkooroo> PYLE! Sha-zam!
[04/22/12 04:57:47] <@Darth_Humber> if we subsection it, it might sort of have a negative effect of isolating them
[04/22/12 04:57:49] <@Darth_Humber> like REDUX is doing now
[04/22/12 04:57:51] <@Jujiggum> point
[04/22/12 04:57:54] <@Menkooroo> Per Humber.
[04/22/12 04:57:57] <@Cal_Jedi> Plus, confuse new users.
[04/22/12 04:58:12] <@Jujiggum> Hell, pile it then :D
[04/22/12 04:58:20] <@Darth_Humber> cool
[04/22/12 04:58:25] <@Menkooroo> However!
[04/22/12 04:58:26] <@Menkooroo> Very important.
[04/22/12 04:58:32] <@Menkooroo> Hang on...
[04/22/12 04:58:51] <@Menkooroo> If we allow user votes on this, it moves outside the territory of probation under which the redux was justified.
[04/22/12 04:58:58] <@Menkooroo> And will require a CT.
[04/22/12 04:59:16] <@Menkooroo> Taking an FA and putting it back on the FAN page is something that will require community consensus.
[04/22/12 04:59:25] <@Cal_Jedi> It's still Inq business, IMO.
[04/22/12 04:59:27] <@Menkooroo> As it's no longer internal inq business.
[04/22/12 04:59:30] <@Darth_Humber> that's annoying, but you're probably right
[04/22/12 04:59:35] <@Jujiggum> Haha, per Tope
[04/22/12 04:59:38] <@Menkooroo> heh
[04/22/12 04:59:42] <@Darth_Humber> we have the right to review FAs as we want, but this is sort of different
[04/22/12 04:59:47] <@Menkooroo> Yeah.
[04/22/12 04:59:48] <@Cal_Jedi> True.
[04/22/12 04:59:53] <@Culator|Away> Another odd idea while we're at this... Could we integrate the RFAN into the main FAN page also?
[04/22/12 05:00:13] * @Culator|Away is just tossing it out there.
[04/22/12 05:00:22] <@Menkooroo> I like the idea, although I'm horrified of the idea of sticking thirty additional noms onto it :P
[04/22/12 05:00:26] <@Darth_Humber> possibly, but I don't want to think about that right now :P
[04/22/12 05:00:30] <@Cal_Jedi> Per Tope
[04/22/12 05:00:31] <@Darth_Humber> save it for next meeting :P
[04/22/12 05:00:35] <@Jujiggum> Keep that around to discuss next time
[04/22/12 05:00:36] <@Culator|Away> OK, save that for later.
[04/22/12 05:00:39] <@Jujiggum> ^^
[04/22/12 05:00:40] <@Cal_Jedi> Save it for another couple of years. :P
[04/22/12 05:00:54] <@Menkooroo> Who wants to start the CT?
[04/22/12 05:00:58] <@Jujiggum> Not me!
[04/22/12 05:01:13] <@Jujiggum> :P
[04/22/12 05:01:21] <@CavalierOne> I barely understand what's going on. Sleep deprivation :P
[04/22/12 05:01:22] <@Darth_Humber> Feel free to draft it up if you want, Menkooroo
[04/22/12 05:01:33] <@Darth_Humber> I would do it, but I can't promise I can get around to it immediately
[04/22/12 05:01:50] <@Menkooroo> I'll draft something up.
[04/22/12 05:02:40] <@Jujiggum> Sweet
[04/22/12 05:02:46] <@Darth_Humber> Ok, I suppose we should vote on this for formality
[04/22/12 05:02:47] <@GreenTentacle> RFAN will probably need looking at sooner or later anyway.
[04/22/12 05:02:59] <@GreenTentacle> Now that we're back to two a week it's less needed.
[04/22/12 05:03:02] <@CC7567> Support
[04/22/12 05:03:03] <@Darth_Humber> Vote for this idea, support or oppose, please
[04/22/12 05:03:07] <@Jujiggum> Support
[04/22/12 05:03:09] <@Xd1358> support
[04/22/12 05:03:10] <@CavalierOne> Support
[04/22/12 05:03:10] <@Darth_Humber> Support
[04/22/12 05:03:11] <@Menkooroo> support
[04/22/12 05:03:11] <@Cal_Jedi> Support
[04/22/12 05:03:14] <@Culator|Away> Meh
[04/22/12 05:03:19] <@IFYLOFD> Support
[04/22/12 05:03:30] <@GreenTentacle> It's also slightly funny to see FAs need to be reviewed again to get on the main page while GAs don't.
[04/22/12 05:03:38] <@GreenTentacle> Also support.
[04/22/12 05:03:45] <@Darth_Humber> the AC Redux page doesn't suffer from lethargy :P
[04/22/12 05:03:53] <@Darth_Humber> Motion passed.
[04/22/12 05:04:07] <@Darth_Humber> Next item.
[04/22/12 05:04:09] <@Darth_Humber> Culator.
[04/22/12 05:04:21] <@Darth_Humber> oh, we looked at this already, yes?
[04/22/12 05:04:25] <@GreenTentacle> I was thinking of that the other day when I noticed the GA took up more space on the main page than the FA. :P
[04/22/12 05:04:33] <@Menkooroo> heh heh
[04/22/12 05:04:35] <@Jujiggum> haha
[04/22/12 05:04:39] <@Menkooroo> Only with short FAs like Kensaric :D
[04/22/12 05:04:42] <@Cal_Jedi> Tope: I believe so. A couple of hours ago. :P
[04/22/12 05:04:49] <@Darth_Humber> Ok, anyone else have anything?
[04/22/12 05:04:54] <@Xd1358> actually
[04/22/12 05:04:55] <@Xd1358> I do
[04/22/12 05:05:00] <@Darth_Humber> Go
[04/22/12 05:05:13] <@Xd1358> It's 5 AM here and it's rather annoying to stay up this late
[04/22/12 05:05:22] <@Cal_Jedi> o_O
[04/22/12 05:05:23] <@Xd1358> I know we've been doing the meetings on midnight UTC
[04/22/12 05:05:34] <@Xd1358> I'd want that changed to midnight UK time
[04/22/12 05:05:41] <@GreenTentacle> Yes!
[04/22/12 05:05:44] <@CavalierOne> Seconded
[04/22/12 05:05:47] <@CavalierOne> Thirded
[04/22/12 05:05:48] <@GreenTentacle> Which is what we used to do anyway.
[04/22/12 05:05:52] <@Xd1358> which means: nothing changes during wintertime, but during DST, the meeting takes place one hour earlier
[04/22/12 05:05:55] <@Darth_Humber> what time is that for New York?
[04/22/12 05:06:05] <@Xd1358> 7 PM
[04/22/12 05:06:08] <@Xd1358> Instead of 8
[04/22/12 05:06:08] <@Jujiggum> Either way works for me
[04/22/12 05:06:10] <@Darth_Humber> oh, that's not bad
[04/22/12 05:06:13] <@Darth_Humber> I'd even say move it back two hours if you want
[04/22/12 05:06:17] <@Menkooroo> How does this affect our Aussie and Kiwi friends?
[04/22/12 05:06:18] <@GreenTentacle> Just everybody ignore daylight saving.
[04/22/12 05:06:23] <@Cal_Jedi> Sure. Earlier is actually better for me usually.
[04/22/12 05:06:26] <@Darth_Humber> they would suffer the most
[04/22/12 05:06:28] <@Jujiggum> Two hours would work for me, too
[04/22/12 05:06:29] <@Darth_Humber> it would be like 5 AM for them
[04/22/12 05:06:36] <@Menkooroo> Ugh. I'm going back to Korea in the fall, you jerks. :P
[04/22/12 05:06:39] <@Xd1358> hm
[04/22/12 05:06:46] <@Menkooroo> What about...
[04/22/12 05:06:47] <@Menkooroo> like...
[04/22/12 05:06:48] <@Xd1358> I think it would be 8 AM for Grunny
[04/22/12 05:06:50] <@Darth_Humber> someone's going to suffer, one way or another
[04/22/12 05:06:51] <@Menkooroo> noon eastern time
[04/22/12 05:06:55] <@Xd1358> and like 10 AM for Eyre
[04/22/12 05:06:56] <@Cal_Jedi> No.
[04/22/12 05:06:58] <@Darth_Humber> we might as well make it the least amount of people
[04/22/12 05:06:58] <@Cal_Jedi> Too early for me.
[04/22/12 05:07:00] <@Menkooroo> which translates to about 2 AM aussie time?
[04/22/12 05:07:14] <@Darth_Humber> Saturday afternoons are very difficult
[04/22/12 05:07:21] <@Darth_Humber> the AC meetings bear that out, I think
[04/22/12 05:07:24] <@Darth_Humber> people always have something going on
[04/22/12 05:07:32] <@Cal_Jedi> Per Tope
[04/22/12 05:07:33] <@CavalierOne> AC meetings are shorter though.
[04/22/12 05:07:40] <@CavalierOne> We're topping two hours this meeting alone.
[04/22/12 05:07:46] <@Jujiggum> True
[04/22/12 05:07:55] <@Darth_Humber> we could always alternate meeting times
[04/22/12 05:08:02] <@Jujiggum> That's true too
[04/22/12 05:08:04] <@Darth_Humber> To accommodate everyone
[04/22/12 05:08:06] <@Menkooroo> Next month will have Warfare updates. It'll be even longer. :D
[04/22/12 05:08:12] <@Darth_Humber> Do one in the early PM, the next one late PM, etc.
[04/22/12 05:08:18] <@Culator|Away> We should just schedule by random number generator.
[04/22/12 05:08:19] <@Xd1358> works for me
[04/22/12 05:08:22] <@Cal_Jedi> Hmm. Sounds pretty good.
[04/22/12 05:08:24] <@Xd1358> just nothing later than this please
[04/22/12 05:08:25] <@Menkooroo> Give Xd's idea a try next month, anyway?
[04/22/12 05:08:31] <@Darth_Humber> per Menkooroo
[04/22/12 05:08:32] <@Culator|Away> Next meeting is at 4:37 AM Eastern.
[04/22/12 05:08:36] <@Cal_Jedi> XD
[04/22/12 05:08:37] <@Xd1358> lol
[04/22/12 05:08:39] <@Darth_Humber> heh
[04/22/12 05:08:43] <@Jujiggum> D:
[04/22/12 05:08:59] <@Darth_Humber> ok, next meeting will be one hour earlier than this time
[04/22/12 05:09:02] <@Darth_Humber> so 23:00 UTC
[04/22/12 05:09:04] <@Jujiggum> cool
[04/22/12 05:09:08] <@Cal_Jedi> Goodie.
[04/22/12 05:09:18] <@Darth_Humber> I don't have meeting and paperwork duties on hand atm
[04/22/12 05:09:20] <@IFYLOFD> We done then?
[04/22/12 05:09:23] <@Darth_Humber> those will be placed in the log
[04/22/12 05:09:24] <@CavalierOne> This is good. I actually feel asleep waiting for this meeting.
[04/22/12 05:09:25] <@Darth_Humber> We are done
[04/22/12 05:09:31] <@Darth_Humber> Thank you everyone for coming and sticking around
[04/22/12 05:09:31] <@CavalierOne> Europeans go sleep now?
[04/22/12 05:09:31] <@Jujiggum> Woohoo
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