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Mar 24 21:54:02 <Imperators>	Welcome to Inqmoot 89, then.
Mar 24 21:54:42 <Imperators>	In the spirit of good tradition and in order to stave off the New articles list for as long as possible, let's begin with old stuff.
Mar 24 21:54:58 <Imperators>	first up, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seyugi_Dervish
Mar 24 21:55:03 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432265
Mar 24 21:55:08 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Seyugi_Dervish
Mar 24 21:55:15 <Imperators>	nothing has been done.
Mar 24 21:55:23 <Imperators>	Kill
Mar 24 21:55:29 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 21:55:31 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 21:56:11 <Imperators>	absentees are inclined to kill, as well
Mar 24 21:56:20 <Imperators>	Seyugi Dervish is a Featured Dervish no more.
Mar 24 21:56:43 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brianna
Mar 24 21:56:54 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432272
Mar 24 21:56:58 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Brianna
Mar 24 21:57:25 <Imperators>	Stuff was done, more stuff was uncovered.
Mar 24 21:57:29 <Imperators>	Extend
Mar 24 21:57:33 <Toprawa>	Wait
Mar 24 21:58:07 <Toprawa>	I'm trying to read and understand everything he's saying on the review page
Mar 24 21:58:50 <Toprawa>	He didn't implement CSWECite
Mar 24 21:59:12 <Imperators>	he did not.
Mar 24 21:59:52 <Toprawa>	There's a handful of just minor cleanup stuff
Mar 24 21:59:56 <Toprawa>	Like, why aren't we alternating images?
Mar 24 22:00:02 <Toprawa>	There's unitalicized book title(s)
Mar 24 22:00:08 <Toprawa>	Linking in the infobox
Mar 24 22:00:42 <Toprawa>	I need to check last meeting's log
Mar 24 22:01:02 <Imperators>	this could all be listed on the review page if we vote Extend
Mar 24 22:01:27 <Toprawa>	From meeting 88's log:
Mar 24 22:01:36 <Toprawa>	22:05:27<@Toprawa>  Going along with all that, this is the reference being used for her birth year: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/25061-age-of-the-characters/?p=184142#entry184142
Mar 24 22:01:36 <Toprawa>	22:05:30<@Toprawa>  That needs to be explained
Mar 24 22:01:36 <Toprawa>	22:05:44<@Toprawa>  No normal person will ever understand how the article is arriving at this BBY date
Mar 24 22:01:39 <Toprawa>	He did not address this
Mar 24 22:02:50 <Imperators>	it wasn't put on the review page, though, so I'd still be willing to extend
Mar 24 22:02:57 <Toprawa>	Am I wrong to think this should be sent to REDUX for the sake of giving it a full re-review?
Mar 24 22:03:19 <exiledjedi>	I would agree with that.
Mar 24 22:03:28 <Imperators>	Now that's a name Kenobi hasn't heard in a long time
Mar 24 22:03:43 <exiledjedi>	I'm also wondering if the KOTOR miniatures set should be in the sources section.
Mar 24 22:03:53 <exiledjedi>	The preview for it is.
Mar 24 22:03:55 <Toprawa>	There's so many little points of cleanup in here
Mar 24 22:04:00 <Toprawa>	It just can't properly done through a meeting review
Mar 24 22:04:20 <Toprawa>	If he's willing to work on this in full, it deserves a REDUX
Mar 24 22:04:33 <Toprawa>	Sounds like a REDUX objection, EJ :P
Mar 24 22:04:53 <Toprawa>	Ok, I vote REUX
Mar 24 22:04:54 <Toprawa>	REDUX*
Mar 24 22:04:55 <Imperators>	can we send this to Redux with just three votes, though?
Mar 24 22:05:03 <exiledjedi>	Yeah, I just wanted to put it here in case I forgot later.
Mar 24 22:05:04 <Toprawa>	We can interpret SE's vote in favor of it
Mar 24 22:05:10 <Toprawa>	He gave his vote to me in all other instances
Mar 24 22:05:22 <exiledjedi>	REDUX
Mar 24 22:05:28 <Imperators>	and ecks gave his vote to SE :D
Mar 24 22:05:35 <Toprawa>	Man, that's five :P
Mar 24 22:05:35 <Imperators>	okay, I vote Redux, as well
Mar 24 22:05:37 <Toprawa>	XD
Mar 24 22:05:50 <Imperators>	Brianna sent to Redux
Mar 24 22:06:14 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Raana_Tey
Mar 24 22:06:19 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432276
Mar 24 22:06:23 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Raana_Tey
Mar 24 22:06:30 <Imperators>	a simple one again
Mar 24 22:06:39 <Imperators>	no changes, kill
Mar 24 22:06:50 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:06:56 <Imperators>	absentees agree to kill
Mar 24 22:06:59 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:07:07 <Imperators>	Raana Tey killed
Mar 24 22:07:26 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sajar
Mar 24 22:07:31 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432324
Mar 24 22:07:37 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sajar
Mar 24 22:07:46 <Imperators>	zero change kill
Mar 24 22:07:51 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:07:59 <Imperators>	absentees concur
Mar 24 22:08:08 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:08:19 <Imperators>	Sajar u dead
Mar 24 22:08:36 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celeste_Morne
Mar 24 22:08:41 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432329
Mar 24 22:08:45 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Celeste_Morne
Mar 24 22:09:10 <Imperators>	yay, zero changes
Mar 24 22:09:18 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:09:30 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:09:32 <Imperators>	absentees and I vote "yay, kill"
Mar 24 22:09:38 <Imperators>	Celeste killed
Mar 24 22:09:55 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_VII_experimental_prototype_assassin_droid
Mar 24 22:10:03 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7436312
Mar 24 22:10:09 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Mark_VII_experimental_prototype_assassin_droid
Mar 24 22:10:25 <Imperators>	apparently not even bots have touched this one
Mar 24 22:10:26 <Imperators>	kill
Mar 24 22:10:28 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:10:44 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:10:50 <Imperators>	absentees kill
Mar 24 22:10:54 <Imperators>	Mark VII killed
Mar 24 22:11:09 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ord_Antalaha
Mar 24 22:11:13 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432335
Mar 24 22:11:18 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ord_Antalaha
Mar 24 22:11:22 <Imperators>	nothing. Astro-kill
Mar 24 22:11:37 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:11:45 <Imperators>	absentees also astro-kill
Mar 24 22:11:53 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:11:59 <Imperators>	Ord Antalaha killed
Mar 24 22:12:10 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Guard
Mar 24 22:12:14 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432338
Mar 24 22:12:19 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Imperial_Guard
Mar 24 22:12:32 <Imperators>	nothing. kill
Mar 24 22:12:39 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:12:42 <Imperators>	absentees also kill
Mar 24 22:13:08 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:13:16 <Imperators>	Imperial Guard killed
Mar 24 22:13:20 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender/Legends
Mar 24 22:13:24 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432344
Mar 24 22:13:29 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/TIE/D_Defender/Legends
Mar 24 22:13:30 <Toprawa>	I can already see I want to send this one back for further cleanup 
Mar 24 22:13:47 <Toprawa>	The images are not formatted well, probably because he's not looking at the article in Oasis
Mar 24 22:14:02 <Toprawa>	Example: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender/Legends#Other_Imperial_use
Mar 24 22:14:10 <Toprawa>	If you're looking at that in Oasis, those two images are just too close together
Mar 24 22:14:15 <Toprawa>	They're not spaced out very well
Mar 24 22:14:17 <Toprawa>	They're too small
Mar 24 22:14:22 <Toprawa>	That's like Monobook size thumbnails
Mar 24 22:14:30 <Toprawa>	They aren't even alternating correctly from the beginning of the Description
Mar 24 22:14:45 <Toprawa>	Like half of his subsection titles have the word "use" in them
Mar 24 22:14:50 <Toprawa>	Which is incredibly redundant 
Mar 24 22:15:20 <Toprawa>	Oasis can usually handle 200-250 px in size, FYI
Mar 24 22:15:31 <Toprawa>	Whereas Monobook is like 180 or less
Mar 24 22:15:31 <Imperators>	yeah, the article either needs more images or just larger existing ones
Mar 24 22:16:03 <exiledjedi>	Does the intro seem a little undersized?
Mar 24 22:16:12 <Imperators>	I think some of the paragraphs could use a little splitting for Oasis
Mar 24 22:16:21 <Toprawa>	I'd be ok with an expansion, including not having a one-sentence paragraph 
Mar 24 22:16:25 <exiledjedi>	Like it was written for a much shorter article originally.
Mar 24 22:17:10 <Imperators>	let us extend, then
Mar 24 22:17:18 <Toprawa>	Extend
Mar 24 22:17:28 <exiledjedi>	extend
Mar 24 22:17:53 <Imperators>	absentees surrender all their freedoms to Tope and also vote extend
Mar 24 22:17:58 <Toprawa>	:D
Mar 24 22:18:32 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_VII/Legends
Mar 24 22:18:37 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432349
Mar 24 22:18:42 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Form_VII/Legends
Mar 24 22:18:44 <Toprawa>	Grunny is volunteering this one for death
Mar 24 22:18:50 <Toprawa>	Let us oblige :P
Mar 24 22:19:03 <Imperators>	nothing was done, anyway
Mar 24 22:19:05 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:19:06 <Imperators>	kill
Mar 24 22:19:13 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:19:20 <Imperators>	absentee-kill
Mar 24 22:19:37 <Imperators>	Form VII, the Way of the Killed Article
Mar 24 22:19:58 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Erv_Lekauf
Mar 24 22:20:03 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432354
Mar 24 22:20:07 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Erv_Lekauf
Mar 24 22:20:10 <Imperators>	nothing. kill
Mar 24 22:20:17 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:20:19 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:20:32 <Imperators>	absentees vote kill
Mar 24 22:20:36 <Imperators>	Erv Lekauf killed
Mar 24 22:20:53 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-96/298
Mar 24 22:20:57 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432358
Mar 24 22:21:01 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CT-96/298
Mar 24 22:21:14 <Imperators>	no change, kill
Mar 24 22:21:16 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:21:18 <Imperators>	absentees vote kill
Mar 24 22:21:45 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:21:59 <Imperators>	CT-numbers killed
Mar 24 22:22:11 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarrin_Datch
Mar 24 22:22:15 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432362
Mar 24 22:23:01 <Toprawa>	What happened?
Mar 24 22:23:42 <Imperators>	I accidentally closed my browser, that's what :P
Mar 24 22:23:56 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Tarrin_Datch_(second_review)
Mar 24 22:24:11 <Imperators>	no change, kill
Mar 24 22:24:14 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:24:36 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:24:43 <Imperators>	Tarrin Datch killed
Mar 24 22:24:55 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tenk_Lenso
Mar 24 22:24:56 <Toprawa>	Note absentees, for the record
Mar 24 22:25:02 <Toprawa>	On Datch
Mar 24 22:25:12 <Imperators>	absentees did vote kill on Tarrin Datch
Mar 24 22:25:27 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432372
Mar 24 22:25:32 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Tenk_Lenso_(second_review)
Mar 24 22:25:52 <Imperators>	no change; me and absentees vote kill
Mar 24 22:26:00 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:26:05 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:26:12 <Imperators>	Tenk Lenso killed
Mar 24 22:26:46 <Imperators>	second to last, but neither second nor least
Mar 24 22:26:51 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hetton
Mar 24 22:26:55 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432384
Mar 24 22:27:00 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Hetton
Mar 24 22:27:13 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:27:15 <Imperators>	nothing, which elicits a kill response from me and the absentees
Mar 24 22:27:35 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:27:41 <Imperators>	Mr. Hetton killed
Mar 24 22:27:50 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HK-47
Mar 24 22:27:54 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432450
Mar 24 22:27:59 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/HK-47_(third_review)
Mar 24 22:28:33 <Imperators>	Tm_T has asked for a few weeks' time
Mar 24 22:28:33 <Toprawa>	I'm not interested in extending this one for something Tm might to do in "weeks"
Mar 24 22:28:52 <Imperators>	... but has done nothing
Mar 24 22:28:52 <Toprawa>	And all the changes and cleanup are probably significant enough for a REDUX, anyways
Mar 24 22:29:00 <Toprawa>	He might as well just fix it and renominate it
Mar 24 22:29:10 <exiledjedi>	I think this one is going to be hard to salvage.
Mar 24 22:29:37 <Imperators>	Redux, then
Mar 24 22:29:45 <Toprawa>	No, I'm saying kill it
Mar 24 22:29:47 <Toprawa>	He didn't do anything
Mar 24 22:29:58 <Imperators>	true, sorry, kill
Mar 24 22:30:04 <Toprawa>	Kill
Mar 24 22:30:05 <exiledjedi>	Kill
Mar 24 22:30:22 <Imperators>	SE votes kill
Mar 24 22:30:26 <Imperators>	ecks is not against killing
Mar 24 22:30:34 <Imperators>	HK-47 killed
Mar 24 22:31:05 <Imperators>	and that's it for the old stuff
Mar 24 22:31:18 <Imperators>	do we want to do the new stuff? :D
Mar 24 22:31:39 <Imperators>	ugh, we only struck one item :P
Mar 24 22:31:40 <Toprawa>	Yes :P
Mar 24 22:31:42 <exiledjedi>	We need to do some new stuff.
Mar 24 22:31:50 <Toprawa>	We've only been here for 30 minutes
Mar 24 22:32:10 <Imperators>	I wasn't being entirely serious :P
Mar 24 22:32:12 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conclave_on_Exis_Station
Mar 24 22:32:25 <Imperators>	Conclave on Exis Station — {{confirm}} tag has been up for three years now.
Mar 24 22:32:25 <Imperators>	    First two sentences in behind the scenes mention Tales of the Jedi: Redemption 1: A Gathering of Jedi and Tales of the Jedi: Redemption 2: The Search for Peace, though a single ref tag is only made to the first publication. 
Mar 24 22:32:57 <Imperators>	probe from me and absentees
Mar 24 22:33:03 <Toprawa>	Image formatting sucks
Mar 24 22:33:10 <Toprawa>	There's no reason to not alternate L-R
Mar 24 22:33:14 <Toprawa>	instead of R-L
Mar 24 22:33:43 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 22:33:55 <exiledjedi>	Probe
Mar 24 22:34:21 <Imperators>	for the sake of uniformity, refs should not cite page numbers in this case, unless, of course, it's CSWECite
Mar 24 22:34:29 <Toprawa>	Oh
Mar 24 22:34:33 <Toprawa>	Nevermind
Mar 24 22:34:43 <Toprawa>	Wait
Mar 24 22:35:03 <Toprawa>	We have an effective event layout
Mar 24 22:35:24 <Toprawa>	"Principal participants" isn't part of it
Mar 24 22:35:33 <Toprawa>	I don't know if we want to go after that or not
Mar 24 22:35:50 <Toprawa>	I guess we can let it go for now
Mar 24 22:35:57 <Toprawa>	Ignore
Mar 24 22:36:09 <Imperators>	Conclave on Ecks Station probed
Mar 24 22:36:23 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darca_Nyl
Mar 24 22:36:33 <Imperators>	"an Equipment section would be a good idea. Introduction seems disproportionately long compared to the body. "
Mar 24 22:36:41 <Toprawa>	CSWECite
Mar 24 22:36:42 <Toprawa>	TalesCite
Mar 24 22:36:50 <Toprawa>	BTS should mention which Tales issue that story appears in
Mar 24 22:37:04 <Toprawa>	Some of the P/T should turn into a Skills and abilities section
Mar 24 22:37:07 <Toprawa>	P/T could be subsectioned 
Mar 24 22:37:32 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 22:37:38 <exiledjedi>	Probe
Mar 24 22:37:41 <Imperators>	probe from me and absentees
Mar 24 22:37:47 <Imperators>	Darca Nyl probed
Mar 24 22:37:58 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hallis_Saper
Mar 24 22:38:07 <Toprawa>	Ok, something to note on this
Mar 24 22:38:08 <Imperators>	Hallis Saper — ABY date citations predate the first IU usage of the BBY/ABY system.
Mar 24 22:38:08 <Imperators>	    Fixed. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 10:31, March 17, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 22:38:13 <Toprawa>	Because I think we're going to be seeing this in a few cases
Mar 24 22:38:23 <Toprawa>	I don't find QGJ's efforts and sourcing these dates to be adequate 
Mar 24 22:38:46 <Toprawa>	Unless something is directly referenced in Reader's Companion, for example, you really can't just stick that onto a date and call it a day
Mar 24 22:38:51 <Toprawa>	For example
Mar 24 22:39:07 <Toprawa>	"In 13 ABY,[4] Saper was invited to document the New Republic's mission to Adumar. Saper was annoyed by...."
Mar 24 22:39:18 <Toprawa>	ERC doesn't say these specific things are happening in 13 ABY
Mar 24 22:39:23 <Toprawa>	It just dates the book's events in general to that date
Mar 24 22:39:33 <Toprawa>	It would be much better to use a manual ref note
Mar 24 22:39:51 <Toprawa>	"The Essential Reader's Companion dates the events of X-Wing: Starfighters of Adumar to 13 BY."
Mar 24 22:39:53 <Toprawa>	ABY*
Mar 24 22:39:59 <Toprawa>	That's what I would like to see
Mar 24 22:40:15 <Imperators>	Ref 5 should use a citation template
Mar 24 22:40:17 <Toprawa>	Please take note of this QGJ, because you did this in like a hundred different articles
Mar 24 22:40:18 <exiledjedi>	Reference 2 could be structured / worded better.
Mar 24 22:40:52 <Imperators>	true, what even is that thing
Mar 24 22:41:21 <Imperators>	I'm not convinced there's no images to be had
Mar 24 22:41:40 <Toprawa>	The BTS kind of sucks
Mar 24 22:41:51 <Toprawa>	At least a publication year should always be mentioned
Mar 24 22:42:19 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 22:42:38 <exiledjedi>	Probe
Mar 24 22:42:53 <Imperators>	probe from me and absentees
Mar 24 22:43:06 <Imperators>	ecks actually already noted some of our objections
Mar 24 22:43:13 <Imperators>	Hallis Saper probed
Mar 24 22:43:31 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Danni_Quee
Mar 24 22:43:39 <Imperators>	Danni Quee — check date citations; ABY date citations (infobox, for instance) predate the first IU usage of the BBY/ABY system.
Mar 24 22:43:39 <Imperators>	    Second behind scenes sentence not sourced. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:42, March 10, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 22:44:01 <Toprawa>	There's a redlink 
Mar 24 22:44:05 <Toprawa>	Image formatting sucks
Mar 24 22:44:07 <Toprawa>	Take note:
Mar 24 22:44:16 <Toprawa>	In Oasis, images should never be placed above the quote in an article section
Mar 24 22:44:22 <Toprawa>	It looks like shit, and it's unnecessary 
Mar 24 22:44:31 <Toprawa>	We did that for Monobook sometimes to help things fit better
Mar 24 22:44:42 <exiledjedi>	The linking is kind of bad.
Mar 24 22:45:04 <Toprawa>	BTS should mention years
Mar 24 22:45:12 <Toprawa>	For publications 
Mar 24 22:45:19 <Imperators>	even image captions are not great. Two of the images just say "Danni Quee".
Mar 24 22:45:46 <Imperators>	me and SE and ecks vote probe
Mar 24 22:45:56 <Toprawa>	Isn't it kind of weird to list the three canceled Knightfall books in a non-canon appearances section?
Mar 24 22:45:58 <Toprawa>	They're not really non-canon
Mar 24 22:46:01 <Toprawa>	They're just canceled 
Mar 24 22:46:05 <exiledjedi>	Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Mar 24 22:46:12 <Toprawa>	I don't think they should really be listed at all
Mar 24 22:46:20 <Imperators>	agree
Mar 24 22:46:28 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 22:46:35 <exiledjedi>	Probe
Mar 24 22:47:02 <Imperators>	Danni Quee probed
Mar 24 22:47:15 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dace_Diath
Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	Dace Diath — 1990s BBY citations (I initially overlooked this, but his 3996 BBY death is cited to a 1996 publication), check the "well before 4017 BBY" birth year in infobox and bio.
Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	    Behind the scenes has no citations. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:42, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	        All taken care of. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:16, March 17, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	    Intro-exclusive links. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 12:50, March 17, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 22:47:30 <Toprawa>	uh
Mar 24 22:47:33 <Toprawa>	Nope
Mar 24 22:47:55 <Toprawa>	His birth date should say "By 4017 BBY"
Mar 24 22:47:59 <Toprawa>	He could just have easily been born in that year
Mar 24 22:48:07 <Toprawa>	This needs to be changed in the infobox and article body
Mar 24 22:48:30 <Toprawa>	Again, with the manual ref date noting as mentioned earlier in this log
Mar 24 22:48:50 <Toprawa>	The only way just listing the source in the reference really works is if that source is explicitly mentioning the following events
Mar 24 22:49:16 <Imperators>	Appearances should be listing individual comic issues, not story arcs
Mar 24 22:49:22 <Toprawa>	Like, does NEC directly reference that stuff in the "One with the Force" section?
Mar 24 22:49:31 <Imperators>	same with referencing
Mar 24 22:49:36 <Toprawa>	I don't even know, because QGJ's referencing doesn't indicate one way or another
Mar 24 22:49:59 <Toprawa>	I'm guessing no, since NEC isn't listed in the Sources
Mar 24 22:50:15 <exiledjedi>	Shouldn't that image have the text in the text bubbles?
Mar 24 22:50:26 <Toprawa>	I think so
Mar 24 22:50:36 <exiledjedi>	This one: Dace constructing a lightsaber under the guidance of Vodo-Siosk Baas.
Mar 24 22:50:48 <Imperators>	indeed
Mar 24 22:50:50 <Toprawa>	For that matter, we might as well call out the images for being outside the Club
Mar 24 22:50:58 <exiledjedi>	The second one has the text bubbles cropped off.
Mar 24 22:51:07 <Toprawa>	Redemption's scans are really nice and are actually higher resolution, but the digital images are ultimately sharper 
Mar 24 22:51:43 <Toprawa>	Translation:
Mar 24 22:51:50 <Toprawa>	Get digital images of these comic panels
Mar 24 22:51:56 <Toprawa>	Per Image policy
Mar 24 22:52:05 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 22:52:08 <exiledjedi>	Probe
Mar 24 22:52:10 <Imperators>	me and SE probe
Mar 24 22:52:18 <Imperators>	Dace Diath probed
Mar 24 22:52:36 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Roni_von_Wasaki
Mar 24 22:52:41 <exiledjedi>	As a note: I'm going to have to head out in a few minutes.
Mar 24 22:52:45 <Imperators>	Roni von Wasaki — Redlink. Reference 1 should incorporate citation template. BTS needs to be sourced. 20,000 BBY date needs some kind of date reference; BBY wasn't invented in 1992. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:16, March 4, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 22:52:52 <exiledjedi>	Tope has my vote after I leave.
Mar 24 22:52:55 <Toprawa>	Culator got 2 of the 3 things
Mar 24 22:52:59 <Toprawa>	But BTS is still unreferenced 
Mar 24 22:53:20 <Toprawa>	And a redlink
Mar 24 22:53:24 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 22:53:38 <exiledjedi>	Probe
Mar 24 22:53:54 <Imperators>	ref 1 should be fully linked and better-formatted
Mar 24 22:53:56 <Imperators>	probe
Mar 24 22:54:09 <Imperators>	absentees also probe
Mar 24 22:54:11 <Imperators>	Roni probed
Mar 24 22:54:22 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Empatojayos_Brand
Mar 24 22:54:33 <Imperators>	I'm not going to paste all that
Mar 24 22:54:39 <Toprawa>	Same date referencing issue mentioned earlier in this log
Mar 24 22:54:42 <Toprawa>	Get digital images
Mar 24 22:54:50 <Toprawa>	Mention publication years in the BTS
Mar 24 22:54:56 <Toprawa>	Format images better
Mar 24 22:55:02 <Toprawa>	Including placement and thumbnail size
Mar 24 22:55:41 <Toprawa>	The BTS just kind of sucks
Mar 24 22:55:45 <Toprawa>	In terms of writing
Mar 24 22:55:51 <Toprawa>	Writer it better. :P
Mar 24 22:55:57 <Toprawa>	Paragraph breaks there would be nice
Mar 24 22:56:07 <Toprawa>	Like, the random one-sentence paragraph at the end is poor
Mar 24 22:56:35 <exiledjedi>	Probe
Mar 24 22:56:35 <Toprawa>	Right now, it's just like a random list of trivia
Mar 24 22:56:40 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 22:56:41 <Imperators>	yeah, BTS should be rewritten
Mar 24 22:56:52 <exiledjedi>	I've got to head out now. Again, Tope has my vote.
Mar 24 22:56:56 <Toprawa>	Thanks
Mar 24 22:56:59 *	exiledjedi is now known as exiledjedi|away
Mar 24 22:57:00 <Toprawa>	SEe you, EJ
Mar 24 22:57:11 <Imperators>	me and SE vote probe also
Mar 24 22:57:20 <Imperators>	Empatojayos probed
Mar 24 22:57:41 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vodo-Siosk_Baas
Mar 24 22:57:56 <Toprawa>	Date referencing 
Mar 24 22:58:07 <Toprawa>	The intro is probably too long respective to the length of the Bio
Mar 24 22:58:15 <Toprawa>	The third paragraph in particular is ridiculous 
Mar 24 22:58:24 <Imperators>	missing backup links
Mar 24 22:58:25 <Toprawa>	There's probably no reason for it to go beyond the infobox in length
Mar 24 22:58:35 <Toprawa>	Get digital images
Mar 24 22:58:46 <Toprawa>	Paragraph breaks as needed throughout 
Mar 24 22:58:56 <Imperators>	references should be fully-linked
Mar 24 22:58:58 <Toprawa>	You could probably fit two images per section in some of those
Mar 24 22:59:08 <Toprawa>	This isn't Monobook anymore
Mar 24 22:59:20 <Toprawa>	BTS subsectioning and add images there if possible
Mar 24 22:59:32 <Toprawa>	Nice empty External links section
Mar 24 22:59:32 <Imperators>	^
Mar 24 22:59:44 <Imperators>	me and SE probe
Mar 24 22:59:50 <Toprawa>	Me and EJ probe
Mar 24 22:59:57 <Imperators>	dat teamwork
Mar 24 23:00:00 <Imperators>	Vodo probed
Mar 24 23:00:03 <Toprawa>	High five
Mar 24 23:00:15 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zeison_Sha instead
Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	Zeison Sha — Redlink. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:48, March 13, 2018 (UTC)
Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	    Vader and Jedi hunters mentioned in intro but not in main article.
Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	    Underlinked.
Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	    Check 4000 BBY citation. Though Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords was made in 2004, want to verify that can formally be used to cite the date in question.
Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	    2nd behind the scenes paragraph has no citation tag. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:49, March 14, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:00:29 <Toprawa>	Me and EJ probe
Mar 24 23:00:55 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe
Mar 24 23:00:59 <Imperators>	Zeison Sha probed
Mar 24 23:01:16 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Koth_Melan
Mar 24 23:01:23 <Imperators>	Koth Melan — 3 ABY only in infobox and intro but not in article itself, 17 BBY cited to 1990s material, BTS needs sourcing. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 08:25, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
Mar 24 23:01:23 <Imperators>	    All fixed. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:01, March 17, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:01:29 <Toprawa>	Again, same date referencing issue mentioned earlier in this meeting log
Mar 24 23:01:31 <Imperators>	as noted by ecks, missing backup links
Mar 24 23:01:41 <Toprawa>	Ref 20, 22, 23, and 28 need templates
Mar 24 23:01:51 <Toprawa>	Cleanup redirect links
Mar 24 23:01:58 <Toprawa>	Subsection BTS, probably
Mar 24 23:02:08 <Imperators>	some of BTS should be cut, I think
Mar 24 23:02:09 <Toprawa>	The BTS image caption is kind of lame
Mar 24 23:02:17 <Imperators>	so that it's not a regurgitation of Sources
Mar 24 23:02:17 <Toprawa>	Explain what "this image" is
Mar 24 23:02:34 <Toprawa>	Digital images pls
Mar 24 23:02:36 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:02:56 <Imperators>	everyone probes
Mar 24 23:03:03 <Imperators>	Koth Melan probed
Mar 24 23:03:13 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Drake_Lo%27gaan
Mar 24 23:03:16 <Toprawa>	Date ref
Mar 24 23:03:19 <Toprawa>	Remove the GrS
Mar 24 23:03:21 <Imperators>	Drake Lo'gaan — infobox exclusive info, BTS sourcing needed. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 08:55, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
Mar 24 23:03:21 <Imperators>	    Verify if "That choice is likely what embittered Lo'gaan to such a point where he sought nothing but revenge against Darth Vader" is formally said IU by any of the stuff it's cited to. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:24, March 15, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:03:45 <Toprawa>	Ref notes should be ordered numerically 
Mar 24 23:03:50 <Toprawa>	Example: [6][5][3][1]
Mar 24 23:03:53 <Imperators>	Social media citations without screenshots
Mar 24 23:04:23 <Toprawa>	Clean up the redirects 
Mar 24 23:04:26 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:04:30 <Imperators>	CSWECite
Mar 24 23:04:51 <Imperators>	me and SE vote probe
Mar 24 23:05:01 <Imperators>	I suppose EJ does, as well
Mar 24 23:05:08 <Toprawa>	Yes
Mar 24 23:05:09 <Imperators>	Drake probed
Mar 24 23:05:18 <Toprawa>	Let my Probe also include EJ as well from here on :P
Mar 24 23:05:24 <Imperators>	kay
Mar 24 23:05:25 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Visas_Marr
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    This edit. If the source listed is applicable, it needs to be formatted properly.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    Missing backup links.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    Infobox-exclusive info. The citation for Marr's birth year needs to be a detailed manual reference note.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    The paragraphs could use some splitting.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    References using external links should be formatted properly, including the use of {{Cite_web}}.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    Commas should go inside quotes.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    There's some weird stuff going on in the third paragraph of Romance.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    There are at least a couple of instances where there's double references without any apparent need. Referencing should be as precise as possible, with each ref used for the specific part of information it supports.
Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	    Image caption punctuation. Imperators II(Talk) 21:53, March 19, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:05:50 <Toprawa>	Date ref is the same situation as with Brianna
Mar 24 23:05:58 <Toprawa>	That ridiculous discussion threads needs to be explained 
Mar 24 23:06:02 <Toprawa>	thread*
Mar 24 23:06:04 <Imperators>	lol, thanks, ecks for voting "Spare" :D:D
Mar 24 23:06:17 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:06:30 <Imperators>	everyone else votes probe, ecks :P
Mar 24 23:06:36 <Imperators>	Visas Marr probed
Mar 24 23:06:39 <ecks>	heathens
Mar 24 23:06:59 <Toprawa>	ohai
Mar 24 23:07:07 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Satele_Shan
Mar 24 23:07:16 <Imperators>	image captions, including punctuation, should be cleaned up after this edit. Imperators II(Talk) 22:10, March 19, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:07:22 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:07:26 <ecks>	why did I vote spare on that
Mar 24 23:07:28 <ecks>	whoops
Mar 24 23:07:29 <ecks>	ok bye again
Mar 24 23:08:05 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe on Mauser's additions :P
Mar 24 23:08:10 <Imperators>	Satele Shan probed
Mar 24 23:08:23 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Phobos
Mar 24 23:08:28 <Imperators>	    BTS is only partially sourced and contains some probably unnecessary information such as the CSWE mention and the last paragraph.
Mar 24 23:08:28 <Imperators>	    What's currently in parentheses in the last sentence of the second paragraph of Legacy needs to be either removed or integrated into BTS. Imperators II(Talk) 22:17, March 19, 2018 (UTC)
Mar 24 23:08:28 <Imperators>	    Addressed. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 12:11, March 21, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:08:59 <Toprawa>	Like...I'm fairly certain the TFU databank doesn't mention the year "2000 BBY"
Mar 24 23:09:06 <Toprawa>	It probably just says like "two thousand years ago"
Mar 24 23:09:06 <Imperators>	I wouldn't be against wiping the IMDb link from External Links
Mar 24 23:09:12 <Toprawa>	Yes, it should be 
Mar 24 23:09:38 <Toprawa>	CSWE Cite in Sources = no
Mar 24 23:09:53 <Toprawa>	Rebelscum.com link for Hasbro template in Sources = yes
Mar 24 23:10:01 <Imperators>	^
Mar 24 23:10:08 <Toprawa>	Don't we have a template for ref 8?
Mar 24 23:10:38 <Toprawa>	Just remove the last sentence of the BTS
Mar 24 23:10:42 <Imperators>	for geekosity.blogspot.ru? Why would we?
Mar 24 23:10:46 <Toprawa>	It's trivial, Sources-list regurgitation 
Mar 24 23:10:50 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe
Mar 24 23:11:08 <Imperators>	yeah, it's kind of what I listed on the meeting page
Mar 24 23:11:14 <Imperators>	Darth Phobos probed
Mar 24 23:11:15 <Toprawa>	I thought we had one for his stuff like we do for Fry's (i think)
Mar 24 23:11:31 <Imperators>	Vitiate — intro was recently rewritten, needs to be reduxed. Imperators II(Talk) 22:20, March 19, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:11:41 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vitiate
Mar 24 23:11:54 <Toprawa>	heh
Mar 24 23:12:03 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vitiate?action=history
Mar 24 23:12:03 <Toprawa>	I have a better solution:
Mar 24 23:12:38 <Imperators>	ref 37 is broken
Mar 24 23:12:44 <Toprawa>	Probe it for being way too fucking long :P
Mar 24 23:13:02 <Toprawa>	We probably don't ever need a 7-paragraph intro 
Mar 24 23:13:08 <Imperators>	on that note, extreme subsectioning needed
Mar 24 23:13:19 <Imperators>	missing backup links
Mar 24 23:13:38 <Toprawa>	Kind of can't believe there can't be an Equipment section
Mar 24 23:13:51 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:14:08 <Imperators>	cool intro, though. It should be transcluded from another page :P
Mar 24 23:14:18 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe
Mar 24 23:14:21 <Imperators>	Mr. Vitiate probe
Mar 24 23:14:24 <Imperators>	*probed
Mar 24 23:14:41 <Imperators>	four articles left
Mar 24 23:14:49 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Into_the_Great_Unknown
Mar 24 23:14:50 <Toprawa>	:D
Mar 24 23:14:55 <Imperators>	Into the Great Unknown — cleanup needed after recent additions. Imperators II(Talk) 22:24, March 19, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:15:02 <Toprawa>	Get digital images
Mar 24 23:15:05 <Toprawa>	Clean up redirects 
Mar 24 23:15:14 <Toprawa>	Non-italics in infobox name field
Mar 24 23:15:23 <Imperators>	ecks says cleanup references
Mar 24 23:15:35 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:15:48 <Imperators>	everyone probes
Mar 24 23:15:55 <Imperators>	Into the Great Probe
Mar 24 23:16:09 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_magic
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    The Notable practitioners field of the infobox was recently expanded to a laundry list of users. This should be checked for accuracy, notability, and have the names sorted alphabetically or chronologically.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    We don't do "Possible appearance" anymore, per this.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    Dates need accurate referencing.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    Image caption punctuation + captions should be consistently formatted with respect to linking.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    Sources and references should list individual comic issues, not just story arcs.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    Category:Infoboxes with missing parameters.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    References should be fully linked.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    CSWE references should utilize {{CSWECite}}.
Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	    Paragraphs should be formatted for the Oasis skin. Imperators II(Talk) 22:43, March 19, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:16:28 <Toprawa>	sheesh
Mar 24 23:16:30 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:16:41 <Imperators>	me and SE probe
Mar 24 23:16:44 <Imperators>	Sith magic probed
Mar 24 23:16:54 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/X1
Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	X1 — Let's face it, this is lazy referencing. Imperators II(Talk) 20:59, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	    The paragraph discusses his appearance in the game and his role in it. Before the recent change in policy, that was generally considered to fall under the "self-sourcing" clause. If you can't cite "character X" appeared in "source Y" to that actual source, then how should one reference that? By that logic, the sentence "Luke Skywalker appeared in Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope cannot be cited to A 
Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	New Hope itself. Moving forward, the developers are sourced to the respective version of the game that they were responsible for. Again, if you play the game on PSP, the first thing you see is the Rebellion Developments logo. How is that not a source? Finally, the last part talking about his appearance in the cancelled BF III is sourced to an article discussing the leaked material, which is better that 
Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	just citing a YouTube video. If the article is not credible enough, then I'm fine with that part being removed altogether, but there is no official material that discusses Battlefront III, unlike, say, KotoOR 3. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:42, March 24, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:17:21 <Imperators>	I believe QGJ missed my point that Citeweb was implemented lazily
Mar 24 23:17:31 <Toprawa>	Yeah
Mar 24 23:17:33 <Toprawa>	Please, people
Mar 24 23:17:36 <Toprawa>	Read the fucking template page
Mar 24 23:17:40 <Toprawa>	It says REMOVE UNUSED PARAMETERS
Mar 24 23:17:45 <Toprawa>	This is one of my pet peeves, sorry
Mar 24 23:18:08 <Imperators>	in this case, though, more fields should be filled out
Mar 24 23:19:13 <Imperators>	22 BBY referencing doesn't work
Mar 24 23:20:19 <Imperators>	image captions should either consistently link everything or not link anything
Mar 24 23:20:32 <Imperators>	preferably the latter
Mar 24 23:20:38 <Toprawa>	Probe
Mar 24 23:20:50 <Imperators>	everyone probes except ecks, again :P
Mar 24 23:20:54 <Imperators>	X1 probed
Mar 24 23:21:12 <Imperators>	Finally, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gran_(Rimmer%27s_Rest_cantina)
Mar 24 23:21:21 <Imperators>	Has undergone a large enough update that I believe it's a candidate for REDUX. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:48, March 24, 2018 (UTC) 
Mar 24 23:21:38 <Toprawa>	He added a whole chunk of info that he originally thought shouldn't be included or some such
Mar 24 23:22:00 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gran_(Rimmer%27s_Rest_cantina)?diff=7534647&oldid=7516746
Mar 24 23:22:08 <Imperators>	Redux
Mar 24 23:22:13 <Imperators>	Redux from SE, as well
Mar 24 23:22:14 <Toprawa>	Redux
Mar 24 23:22:27 <Imperators>	Unidentified Gran sent to Redux
Mar 24 23:22:40 <Toprawa>	Let us not touch the Maintenance bin today :P
Mar 24 23:22:55 <Imperators>	yes, I intended to propose that as well
Mar 24 23:23:08 <Imperators>	you want to discuss anything, Tope? :D
Mar 24 23:23:20 <Toprawa>	Sort of
Mar 24 23:23:34 <Toprawa>	I was going to say that I think we've been doing a really nice job of advancing the FAN page lately
Mar 24 23:23:43 <Toprawa>	It's not really up to us whether an article passes or fails
Mar 24 23:23:45 <Toprawa>	That's up to the nominator
Mar 24 23:23:51 <Toprawa>	Our job is to keep things moving
Mar 24 23:23:53 <Toprawa>	Which we've been doing
Mar 24 23:23:56 <Toprawa>	Let's keep it up
Mar 24 23:24:02 <Toprawa>	And go review more stuff, people
Mar 24 23:24:16 <Imperators>	amen to that
Mar 24 23:24:35 <Toprawa>	Cool
Mar 24 23:25:03 <Imperators>	okay, on to scheduling. Tope gets Meeting 90, and you'll never believe who's on paperwork, ecks.
Mar 24 23:25:08 <Toprawa>	hah
Mar 24 23:25:11 <Toprawa>	haha
Mar 24 23:25:13 <Toprawa>	hahaha
Mar 24 23:25:25 <ecks>	hshsjsi
Mar 24 23:25:27 <ecks>	I resign
Mar 24 23:25:32 <Imperators>	ecks will be so glad we didn't touch the Maintenance bin
Mar 24 23:25:45 <Imperators>	thanks for participating, people
Mar 24 23:25:51 <Imperators>	meeting adjourned
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